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greetings and salutations old friends

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and new friends and welcome back to

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truth seekers where we explore the

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in the world tonight uh i've got a very

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special

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ufo report planned for you i've been

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keeping my head on certain

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things in the ufo community and doing a

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great deal of research into several

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different stories but i thought it would

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be helpful even therapeutic for me

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to talk to some other researchers and

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find out what they're working on what

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stories they're following on or things

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that they think are important so tonight

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we've got a very very special guest you

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may have seen him on erica luke's show

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he's the co-host uh of ufos declassified

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he has his own uh separate sort of uh

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report show

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called in the field and has been

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investigating and

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interested in and studying ufos uh for

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much longer than i

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so friends uh we're going to bring him

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in here welcome scott brown hey thanks

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steve for having me

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yeah good to finally speak to you in

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person and

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we have corresponded we've shared some

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research materials we've uh

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uh sort of uh followed we were both

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following this travis walton thing and

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you did a much better job than i did

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covering that because you've got

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you got the guy who

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you know uh was

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basically the proof that it was all a

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hoax on your show

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what do you think of the travis walton

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can you talk a little bit about your

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experience with sort of revealing that

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as being one big hoax

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yeah that was a complete accident you

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know uh uh mike rogers the guy who was

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was a guest because

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i believed what he was saying about the

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the whole phone call being manipulated

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and i didn't really know too much about

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it so i wanted to hear what mike had to

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say

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told erica she was like it's you know

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we're good to go let's do it

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and we got him on the show and in the

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meantime uh as it was leading up to the

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i had said something about the phone

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call being manipulated on twitter next

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thing you know i get this two-page email

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explaining everything from ryan gordon

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so i'm like holy [\h__\h] you know who is

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this guy

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so that's all started and then um as i

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began to look at it and

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you know there's still things that

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he can't release to the public and i

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wish that i could talk about

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you know that that would just just close

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the whole thing down

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but unfortunately you know he's he

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doesn't want to get sued and

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there's certain legal things and you

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it after i looked at everything it was

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open and shut for me it was uh

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you know the glue that held it together

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the five guys that never recanted their

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story and so that for me was solid

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especially for 40 something years

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and i thought there's no way that these

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they're not benefiting from it so why

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the hell would they go along with a lie

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it's got to be true

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not thinking that it's possible that

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these five guys were fooled by the other

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two and i never thought of that

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going back through the documents i saw

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ray fowler had the same

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theory back in the 70s

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in the early 2000s uh carl flock the

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researcher he also had the same theory

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that the five guys were fooled by the

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convincing testimony when they were

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and the whole thing got pulled off

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yeah and it was interesting that mike

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mike rogers and travis walton seemed to

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recently have a dispute over money

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right and so when the money wasn't right

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hoax this is how he hoaxed it you know

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uh or i don't first he he said i don't

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support anything travis says anymore

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then he started saying oh no this whole

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thing was a hoax and here's how it was

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spilling the beans and then travis and

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him got together and the money got right

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with mike rogers again so now he's

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suddenly back on the travis walton is

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is telling the truth camp no he's back

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at it again and he just posted on

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facebook today

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saying that all that

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none of the guys believe travis he's

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full of [\h__\h] he went into this long

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tirade on facebook today and same old

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oh that's great

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back and forth you know

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oh yeah and it's mike heston rogers on

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facebook i think right yes

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yeah he's uh

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i mean i look at it this way the guy oh

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wow wait we gotta share this because

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you're right this is juicy this is one

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of the original witnesses to you know

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the one of the linchpins to the story

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being true for 30 40 years

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uh mike heston rogers and here he is on

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facebook and boy

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this is what he has to say this event in

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late september of 1970

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is the happening where travis walton

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didn't get abducted no way no hell no

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cigar i was driving my lime green dodge

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charger west out of snowflake and eight

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miles further we beheld the spherical

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light which

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then by utter surprise showed a very

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bright light down in the highway out

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before us the rest of the story is in

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the book i am dangerously close to

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finishing so i guess that's another cash

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in on his yeah

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the story just changed completely

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according to him post where he talks

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about the five guys not believing it's

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farther down and it's a comment on

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another post that i was commenting on

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okay i'll look for that in the meantime

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he just you know says he lists all their

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names you know ken peterson and you know

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all of them and none of them believe

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travis they all think he's a liar

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you know it's just wow back and forth

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and he's selling autographed prints of

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uh of uh

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pictures of the abduction even though he

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always says it was fake

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yeah but it was still

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that abduction was fake but i'll still

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sell you autograph print

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of an art print from that abduction case

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that's something bizarre isn't that

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bizarre i mean hey you know he he knows

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that with certain people he can still

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write it and and cash in on it you know

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i mean these guys are like

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they know they're full of [\h__\h] but

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yeah he's pumping the there's a

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documentary of our encounter in 1975 on

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the channel travel channel sometime

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within the next 31 days yeah

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so he's still pumping it and he's got

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paintings

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that he's sold

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geez selling paintings of the aliens and

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travis but then it's he's saying it

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didn't happen yeah he did he did he did

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he painted the original book cover for

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travis's book yeah well that is

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interesting i never knew that

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yeah yeah but i just think it's bizarro

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land like he's saying this is all fake

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and look these two paintings were

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recently sold for three thousand dollars

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that leave seven of my paintings yet to

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be sold if you have the money the most

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important paintings

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the covers to the walton experience and

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fire in the sky the walton experience

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can be yours contact me by facebook

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messenger or email me geez

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that's bizarre

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you know an autographed prince now

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available and we can look at the prince

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that's the fire in the sky

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and even and even if it's

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it's still a historical painting it's

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still someone's going oh yeah i think i

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think i would i would very much like to

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have the original painting of the book

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fire in the sky hanging in my basement

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you know i don't know that i could

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afford it i don't think i would pay that

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much of what it would go for but i can

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understand the interest in it sure i

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guess yeah that if you scroll down to

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that comment that's right below the one

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in blue

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it's underneath that i believe it's in

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those comments

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youngest son no this is something about

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this oh keep going back on

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you're going down too far

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right there i have so many things to say

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about everything you say in my life but

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for now i should say very little or

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nothing

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uh okay

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people are telling him to spill the

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beans uh

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you should write your own book

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uh like this book i am presently working

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on so now he's working oh look

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adventures with close astonishing

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astounding adventures with close

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encounters yeah

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nice uh

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yeah i'm trying to see where did he say

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all this stuff that oh maybe that's

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maybe that's not the one or maybe he

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deleted it i will take your word for it

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he's saying a lot of stuff he's been

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saying a lot of stuff on his facebook

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about this stuff

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so

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that's enough of that we're citing fair

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use we're sharing is public facebook so

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i think that's perfectly permissible but

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i still want to cite fair use we're

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educating the public about the story of

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travis walton and uh

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yeah unbelievable man

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issues is there is there really audio

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issues or is it one person is

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experiencing

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no i noticed too steve every so often

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your your mic will like click or or uh

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it's doing something weird

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yeah i apologize it's not it's not doing

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it now though but it was doing it before

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oh i did i adjusted the level so maybe

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that's what it was maybe it was

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overdriven clicking so i apologize to

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all the audiophiles out there

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jeez

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it's a live show we do warts and all

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what are you smoking a cigar there no no

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it's a

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nicotine paint

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yeah i got a switch i i man i vaped for

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years and for some stupid reason i went

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back to cigarettes and now i'm having a

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real hard time getting back to the vapes

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because

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it seems like they changed a lot since i

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was vaping before yeah now where i am

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unless you go to a specialty shop you

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can only get

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mint and tobacco flavored which is

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terrible they're terrible it doesn't

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taste anything like a cigarette it's

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terrible yeah yeah so i'm in

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massachusetts so if i want something

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like a flavor i gotta drive to

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connecticut

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that is so stupid yeah yeah i don't know

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i used to smoke like blueberry

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blueberries and cream and weird stuff

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like that you know yeah and now you

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can't because the government decided

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that you know you can't i don't i don't

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understand it

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so

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what do you think of the

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of of the business as usual

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after all these revelations in the

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travis walton case it seems like like

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travis and his buddies like jimmy church

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and and richard dolan just sort of

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closed ranks and like helped him manage

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this

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hoax

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and and then i just saw recently travis

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is right back at the ufo conferences

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just like nothing happened like none of

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this information came out and none of

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his

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so-called witnesses ever recant it and

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he's still at those ufo conferences

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like

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yeah

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he um

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you know i mean

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it's funny too because no matter how

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many times that

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different researchers over the years

324
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attacked the case okay i won't say

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attacked but

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tried to throw a new theory at it about

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how it was pulled off

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there was never any kind of like

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campaign

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you know run by travis to go out and

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like go against these people until ryan

332
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gordon came along

333
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he used to ignore those things yeah i

334
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mean but i think that before it was

335
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really more like theories and and very

336
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well informed sometimes very well

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researched theories but this stuff that

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came out recently is literally

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the

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his witnesses are

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coming out and saying no it was faked or

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this didn't happen that didn't happen

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and

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we've got recorded phone calls where

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you know his buddy is saying it was all

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a hoax

347
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this is some serious evidence that it

348
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was all faked for money

349
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you know and there's other weird things

350
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too like the day of the abduction when

351
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they were out working in the woods

352
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travis and mike disappeared for a while

353
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then they denied it later on and they

354
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said that never happened

355
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but the other guys that were there

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testified that

357
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they took off for a while

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and supposedly travis was sick and he

359
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was lying in the truck

360
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you know so the theory is is that

361
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they were they went somewhere

362
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to maybe talk about you know what time

363
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you were going to do it we know how they

364
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were gonna go whatever

365
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that's the theory so but they still both

366
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deny it you know and then and there's

367
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been other times where

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i think a couple of interviews where

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they did actually admit it uh travis

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said he was sick in the truck

371
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then other times he said oh i felt i

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wasn't feeling good for a little while

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so i laid down you know the story just

374
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changes over and over again yeah and

375
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there was also there's also additional

376
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evidence that i suddenly became aware of

377
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:52,959
because of this charlie weiser's

378
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research and other things but

379
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the like his travis walton's childhood

380
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friend said he was obsessed with ufos

381
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and running a ufo hoax on the town that

382
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they lived in like yeah get balloons and

383
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put lights and flares on them and fly

384
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them

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to fool the town

386
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into thinking that there was alien

387
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invaders or something like that

388
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so

389
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you know

390
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that coupled with the with recorded

391
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phone calls of his partner for a long

392
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time saying that yeah we hoaxed it and

393
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here's here's what we did and here's how

394
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we did it

395
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yeah that's overwhelming to me and yeah

396
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you know it's it's almost disappointing

397
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that like that level of evidence that

398
00:17:36,150 --> 00:17:34,320
this story is all fake can come out and

399
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all these ufo conference organizers are

400
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just like

401
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people want to hear him tell his fire in

402
00:17:43,909 --> 00:17:42,320
the sky story so we're going to book

403
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them you know

404
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and you know i spent

405
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probably a good hour and a half on the

406
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:50,080
phone

407
00:17:54,470 --> 00:17:52,880
with that guy with travis's best friend

408
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as a child

409
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oh did you i didn't know yeah can you

410
00:18:01,430 --> 00:17:58,240
tell us a little more about what he said

411
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:01,440
so he told me you know that

412
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um that

413
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travis was like that he was always

414
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trying to pull pranks on people

415
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and there was a a a certain time during

416
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their teenage years when um

417
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travis wanted to

418
00:18:21,669 --> 00:18:19,919
i think attach flares to balloons to

419
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fool the neighborhood into thinking it

420
00:18:24,549 --> 00:18:23,440
was ufos

421
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um

422
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and he he said he was always trying to

423
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come up with something to mess with

424
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people

425
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and

426
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you know he he said as as soon as he saw

427
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:35,679
the story

428
00:18:38,230 --> 00:18:37,440
you know that it was breaking he was

429
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,240
like

430
00:18:43,029 --> 00:18:40,799
you got to be [\h__\h] me

431
00:18:45,990 --> 00:18:43,039
he finally pulled off his big ufo hoax

432
00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:46,000
right yeah because he this this guy uh

433
00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:47,600
kelly waldrop

434
00:18:53,270 --> 00:18:51,280
is his name he moved away from there

435
00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:53,280
he became a

436
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uh

437
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,120
cia or fbi um he's he's worked for um

438
00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:02,000
home secure homeland security

439
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:04,240
uh you know there's there's pictures of

440
00:19:07,590 --> 00:19:06,080
him online with

441
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:07,600
you know uh

442
00:19:10,789 --> 00:19:09,679
i think reagan

443
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um

444
00:19:18,870 --> 00:19:17,120
i forgot his name head of the uh

445
00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:18,880
head of the cia

446
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,400
there's a bunch of seems to be a pretty

447
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:22,320
credible guy then

448
00:19:28,390 --> 00:19:25,039
he runs his own detective company out

449
00:19:30,470 --> 00:19:28,400
there he actually just moved back

450
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,480
and he runs his own detective company

451
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:32,880
and he's the the guy's got credentials

452
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:34,480
coming out his ears

453
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:36,400
and he said

454
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:38,240
he had a buddy of his that he worked

455
00:19:42,950 --> 00:19:39,520
with

456
00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:42,960
and the guy came to him and he said

457
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:45,280
aren't you friends with the guy who's

458
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:48,640
claiming that he got taken by a ufo

459
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:50,000
and he said what are you talking about

460
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:52,160
he goes they just came of a

461
00:19:57,029 --> 00:19:55,039
movie about it called fire in the sky so

462
00:19:59,430 --> 00:19:57,039
kelly waldrip went and looked and he was

463
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,440
like holy [\h__\h]

464
00:20:03,669 --> 00:20:01,600
and he realized that travis finally

465
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:03,679
pulled it off but for a much bigger

466
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:04,960
audience

467
00:20:10,230 --> 00:20:08,799
you know and uh yeah millions

468
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:10,240
he was very

469
00:20:15,350 --> 00:20:12,960
very honest with me very open he said if

470
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:15,360
i have any questions come back to him i

471
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:17,200
have his phone number

472
00:20:21,510 --> 00:20:19,039
you know and

473
00:20:23,510 --> 00:20:21,520
it was somebody mentioned that oh that's

474
00:20:25,510 --> 00:20:23,520
hearsay but i don't think it is if the

475
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:25,520
guy's let agreeing to

476
00:20:31,190 --> 00:20:27,919
let you use what he says right like

477
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:31,200
that's not hearsay that's testimony yes

478
00:20:36,950 --> 00:20:34,480
so if you go back to

479
00:20:39,750 --> 00:20:36,960
i think it's kurt jumungle from the

480
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:39,760
theories of everything podcast

481
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:42,000
he had travis on

482
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:45,120
they put kelly waldrop's quote right on

483
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:46,559
the screen

484
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i went and found it because of that then

485
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,600
i looked up his company i found the

486
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:55,360
telephone number

487
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,159
he went and tracked him down right yes

488
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,240
and as soon as i started telling him who

489
00:21:04,950 --> 00:21:02,960
i was he goes oh yeah you know what

490
00:21:07,669 --> 00:21:04,960
let's talk for a while give me a call

491
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:07,679
like in a couple days i said okay so i

492
00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,200
called him back and we sat there and

493
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:10,720
shot the ship for like an hour and a

494
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,480
half

495
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:15,120
and travis admitted it right on the show

496
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that kelly was his best friend they

497
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:19,200
parted they were you can go back and

498
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,720
watch the part yeah i remember i

499
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,960
remember hearing all about it yeah talks

500
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:24,400
all about him

501
00:21:28,789 --> 00:21:26,559
and then he says well you know kelly's

502
00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,799
wrong and he you know

503
00:21:33,110 --> 00:21:31,440
denies it anyways i mean

504
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:33,120
you know yeah and there was another part

505
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,360
of this travis walton story is in that

506
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,520
he told some kind of strange he got

507
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,280
abducted again with his girlfriend's

508
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:41,679
story once upon a time

509
00:21:46,870 --> 00:21:44,720
and that the aliens stole the baby so

510
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then for some reason he takes the girl

511
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:49,760
to dr roger lear who is the alien

512
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:52,000
implant person he's not a gynecologist

513
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:52,960
he's

514
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,600
he was a podiatrist but he was an eight

515
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:58,159
you know interested in aliens so i guess

516
00:22:03,909 --> 00:22:01,600
travis took her to him and he confirmed

517
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:03,919
that the baby was taken from the womb

518
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,240
that's what travis said some time ago

519
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:08,559
yeah on kurt's show and i asked the

520
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,320
questions about that but on kurt's show

521
00:22:16,230 --> 00:22:12,799
he walked that way back and try to

522
00:22:19,510 --> 00:22:16,240
minimize roger leader's involvement

523
00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:19,520
in this in this thing you know right

524
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:21,520
that's another bizarre part of the story

525
00:22:24,870 --> 00:22:22,960
and and it's like okay so you were

526
00:22:27,350 --> 00:22:24,880
abducted a second time and the second

527
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,360
time they stole your baby like that's a

528
00:22:31,590 --> 00:22:29,840
crazy story yeah and he did tell that

529
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:31,600
story and now he's sort of denying that

530
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:32,880
he told the story but he somewhat

531
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:35,120
acknowledged the story on this one

532
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:36,720
interview it's because

533
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,280
baby jonas it was baby jonas yeah yeah

534
00:22:45,990 --> 00:22:43,600
yeah he was abducted and then the aliens

535
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:46,000
they think took his girlfriend's baby

536
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:46,799
and

537
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:49,840
you know i mean

538
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,880
the story goes on and on and on

539
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:54,480
yeah and i mean i i don't know that it's

540
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,760
relevant but people some people were

541
00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:57,360
attacking him because that girlfriend

542
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,960
was his girlfriend at the time not his

543
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,880
wife that was like an extramarital

544
00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,159
girlfriend that he

545
00:23:05,190 --> 00:23:04,240
got pregnant i think i heard that i'm

546
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:05,200
not sure

547
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,360
you know i do know that it's relevant

548
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,039
that he failed several lie detectors

549
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:12,960
because people like to say he passed but

550
00:23:18,070 --> 00:23:15,919
he failed a few too so right i don't

551
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,080
think that that evidence is valuable in

552
00:23:21,669 --> 00:23:20,000
the case if it's like

553
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,679
okay so he passed some and he failed

554
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,840
others you know like

555
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,039
he failed that one on national

556
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:27,120
television pretty badly trying to win

557
00:23:31,750 --> 00:23:30,080
money for his story again it's all about

558
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:31,760
he went on benjamin

559
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,789
well i think he still won fifteen

560
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,960
thousand dollars for what they were what

561
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:40,640
he could pass

562
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,320
from the lie detector yes you know like

563
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,080
they let up the questions but he didn't

564
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:45,919
get the grand prize or something like

565
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:47,600
that you know

566
00:23:51,510 --> 00:23:49,679
it is kind of sad though to see that

567
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,520
story unravel because that's one that i

568
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:53,760
grew up with you know and i watched that

569
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:56,640
movie and i was terrified of aliens yeah

570
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,320
after that you know that movie is a

571
00:24:02,230 --> 00:23:59,919
little bit terrifying when it comes to

572
00:24:04,789 --> 00:24:02,240
the scene you know or like strapping him

573
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,799
down and all this stuff and he's in this

574
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,679
weird spaceship and these aliens are

575
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:09,120
like

576
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,240
you know

577
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,159
it was better movie than communion

578
00:24:16,149 --> 00:24:14,240
that's for sure

579
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,159
it's horrible horrible

580
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:18,240
that movie was horrible even christopher

581
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,159
walken couldn't save that movie yeah

582
00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,480
right they they should just redo that

583
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,440
over that sucks man

584
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:27,840
maybe they will someday but they think

585
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:30,320
you know the thing is too is that when

586
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,039
when we first started having

587
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,120
you know behind the scenes meetings with

588
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:37,360
ryan gordon and he started walking us

589
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:40,320
through all of this stuff

590
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,520
erica i and mario who does a lot of work

591
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:45,600
behind the scenes on the show we were

592
00:24:51,669 --> 00:24:49,039
all just devastated because we too

593
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:51,679
were invested in the case i thought it

594
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,679
was a legitimate case all these years

595
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,360
and it sucked

596
00:25:01,830 --> 00:24:59,440
and we were like are we gonna do this or

597
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,840
not and

598
00:25:05,350 --> 00:25:03,919
said we have to we've got to bring this

599
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:05,360
to the public

600
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,320
because

601
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,080
mike is claiming the phone call was

602
00:25:13,430 --> 00:25:11,039
manipulated he's absolutely lying that

603
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,440
phone call was not manipulated and one

604
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,320
of the pieces of proof for that is

605
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,880
moments before the phone call

606
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:21,360
he texted ryan gordon and he said i have

607
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,799
a secret to whisper in your ear

608
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,120
and this this was moments before the

609
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:30,000
phone call ryan sent me all those text

610
00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:32,960
messages i have all of it

611
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:35,600
so it's crazy i think mike was ready to

612
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:38,240
spill the beans but then he kind of

613
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:40,880
walked back from it and you know then

614
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,919
there was a falling out between

615
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:45,840
you know the deal that travis had with

616
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,159
ryan and it turned into

617
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:50,799
kind of legal stuff and it just fell

618
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:53,360
apart you know

619
00:25:58,390 --> 00:25:56,320
so ryan was kind of offended that mike

620
00:26:01,350 --> 00:25:58,400
was saying he was lying

621
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:01,360
no matter what ryan has showed us

622
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:04,400
or any questions we have had that guy

623
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,520
has been absolutely honest with us and

624
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:10,080
transparent yeah and just showed us

625
00:26:16,870 --> 00:26:11,039
everything

626
00:26:19,029 --> 00:26:16,880
things that we can't put on the ear

627
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,039
which like i said

628
00:26:22,549 --> 00:26:21,600
would shut and lock this thing no

629
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:22,559
problem

630
00:26:26,149 --> 00:26:23,760
but you think

631
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,159
yeah he did he did he showed me some of

632
00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:28,080
that evidence too and i was like oh god

633
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,760
please let me use this but he can't for

634
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,240
legal reasons yeah and i want i want to

635
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,640
use it so bad but you know we just we

636
00:26:37,990 --> 00:26:36,640
can't do anything about it

637
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:38,000
well you can't blame the guy if there's

638
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:39,919
going to be legal legal repercussions

639
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:41,919
for him yeah sharing something he's got

640
00:26:45,430 --> 00:26:44,720
to keep that you know yeah and it's it's

641
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,440
uh

642
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,520
it's interesting that he has that and

643
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,760
and he may decide to release it at some

644
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,200
point when he feels like he's not in

645
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:53,760
legal jeopardy over releasing it right

646
00:26:59,430 --> 00:26:57,360
right i and i hope so i hope he does

647
00:27:01,750 --> 00:26:59,440
because it would just be you know

648
00:27:03,750 --> 00:27:01,760
total vindication

649
00:27:05,590 --> 00:27:03,760
yeah we have a comment from uh lincoln

650
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,600
liar says team travis said mike was

651
00:27:09,190 --> 00:27:07,679
suffering from the onset of dementia

652
00:27:12,070 --> 00:27:09,200
i've heard that do you think that's a

653
00:27:13,669 --> 00:27:12,080
valid excuse and you talk to him do you

654
00:27:15,190 --> 00:27:13,679
feel that he's suffering from dementia

655
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:15,200
or does he

656
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,600
appear to have all his marbles

657
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:19,360
um you know

658
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:21,760
i'm not going to say mike is not getting

659
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:25,120
on in years he's getting older

660
00:27:29,909 --> 00:27:27,919
but the guy is still sharp as attack

661
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,919
and and i don't

662
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:31,760
you know that whole dementia thing is

663
00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,240
just a bunch of crap i think it's a it's

664
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:35,760
an excuse yeah

665
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,760
yeah it's not

666
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,520
you know the thing is

667
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,760
when you hear him when you talk to him

668
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:44,720
like in private messages or

669
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,080
directly

670
00:27:50,389 --> 00:27:48,480
you know the the guy's not a dummy he's

671
00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:50,399
still pretty sharp

672
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,279
so you know i i can't

673
00:27:57,990 --> 00:27:56,399
i can't uh go along with that

674
00:27:59,510 --> 00:27:58,000
but you know another thing i wanted to

675
00:28:02,950 --> 00:27:59,520
say was um

676
00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:02,960
if people just go back

677
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:03,840
find

678
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,559
a lot of the interviews that travis has

679
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:08,799
done online

680
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:12,000
and watched them from years ago up until

681
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,200
now

682
00:28:17,909 --> 00:28:14,880
very carefully

683
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:17,919
and you will see the the different

684
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:20,799
aspects of the story have changed over

685
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,679
the years he's got several iterations

686
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:26,240
like retcons where he adds little thing

687
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:28,000
and i i've always thought that's because

688
00:28:34,230 --> 00:28:32,240
of ufo disease and ufo disease is is a

689
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:34,240
affliction that i invented but it's a

690
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:37,200
very real phenomenon and thing that many

691
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:38,640
people suffer from

692
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,880
you come up with a ufo story you start

693
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:42,960
getting paid to appear at conferences

694
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,039
you go you tell your story but

695
00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,360
unfortunately after a few years people

696
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:49,919
get sick of that story and you need new

697
00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:51,200
material

698
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:53,440
so then you have to either recon the

699
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,880
story or suddenly you get new memories

700
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,960
right or like travis

701
00:29:02,710 --> 00:29:01,200
at one conference told the story he got

702
00:29:05,110 --> 00:29:02,720
abducted again

703
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,120
with his girlfriend you have to

704
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:07,679
continually expand the lie to keep the

705
00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:09,760
ufo dollars rolling in

706
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:12,000
that's ufo disease you see the ufo

707
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,200
dollars

708
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,200
your story's getting old

709
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,720
people are getting less interested

710
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:18,240
because they've heard it so many times

711
00:29:23,909 --> 00:29:21,600
we need a new updated story you're right

712
00:29:26,230 --> 00:29:23,919
there is a definite change

713
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:26,240
like he added little parts even even as

714
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:28,320
recently as a few years ago

715
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:30,480
he added this part where he decided that

716
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:31,520
they

717
00:29:35,990 --> 00:29:33,919
injured him with the laser

718
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:36,000
by accident or something and they took

719
00:29:40,630 --> 00:29:37,600
him aboard the ship and it took them

720
00:29:42,710 --> 00:29:40,640
seven days to regenerate him and help

721
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,720
him and work on him

722
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:44,559
and they before they could return him

723
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:46,720
and they felt obligated to fix him

724
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:49,679
because they shot him with a laser gun

725
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:51,520
yes that's a new part of the story that

726
00:29:57,110 --> 00:29:55,200
he never mentioned before yeah it's you

727
00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:57,120
know and there's little things like that

728
00:30:03,590 --> 00:29:59,919
you pick them up and if you go back and

729
00:30:05,830 --> 00:30:03,600
you watch like let's say um

730
00:30:07,669 --> 00:30:05,840
the interview the podcast he did with

731
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:07,679
joe rogan

732
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,039
yeah if you watch that

733
00:30:14,470 --> 00:30:13,440
virtually every time he answers a

734
00:30:17,029 --> 00:30:14,480
question

735
00:30:19,830 --> 00:30:17,039
he will not make eye eye contact with

736
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,840
joe rogan he keeps looking away from him

737
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,000
every single time he answers he will not

738
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,080
look him in the face

739
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,720
and you know he waffles on some of the

740
00:30:29,750 --> 00:30:27,919
stuff and

741
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,760
people say the same thing about him that

742
00:30:34,470 --> 00:30:31,919
he's getting older and he's forgetting

743
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:34,480
the aspects of the story and

744
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:37,200
you know i mean

745
00:30:41,669 --> 00:30:38,960
you can believe what you want to believe

746
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:41,679
but i'm firmly convinced that these guys

747
00:30:46,630 --> 00:30:44,559
use that tower to pull that off

748
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,640
you know i'm fine yeah

749
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,240
and we should just mention for anybody

750
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:50,480
not familiar there was a watchtower a

751
00:30:56,310 --> 00:30:53,279
fire watch tower that it is now alleged

752
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,320
by mike rogers and maybe one more person

753
00:31:00,549 --> 00:30:57,760
in that party

754
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:00,559
of original witnesses that

755
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,120
they lit up that tower and that was the

756
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:05,600
ufo that the witnesses saw

757
00:31:10,389 --> 00:31:08,559
and then travis disappeared maybe he ran

758
00:31:12,549 --> 00:31:10,399
off into the woods for all we know i

759
00:31:15,029 --> 00:31:12,559
don't know but they used a fire watch

760
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:15,039
tower to simulate that's just above the

761
00:31:19,669 --> 00:31:17,200
tree line they lit it up

762
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:19,679
shot a beam out from it and it just so

763
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:21,600
happens that that

764
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:24,799
fire tower has colored spotlight beams

765
00:31:27,909 --> 00:31:26,240
that they use for signaling so they'll

766
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:27,919
have a red one that means this they'll

767
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,919
have a blue one that means this

768
00:31:34,630 --> 00:31:31,919
and travis story wasn't it was a blue

769
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,640
beam of light that hit him from the ufo

770
00:31:39,269 --> 00:31:36,799
yeah it could be very convincing that

771
00:31:41,750 --> 00:31:39,279
you see this thing lit up in its glass

772
00:31:43,750 --> 00:31:41,760
and it was just as they described it it

773
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,760
matches the fire tower and it's got a

774
00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,840
blue spotlight on it that could shine

775
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,080
down right so

776
00:31:53,029 --> 00:31:50,720
yeah pretty convincing evidence of

777
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,039
an anatomy of uh

778
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:54,960
you gotta almost give them some respect

779
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:58,159
for the the ingenuity to create a

780
00:32:05,750 --> 00:31:59,440
million

781
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:05,760
you know just an event honestly i think

782
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,200
that

783
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,840
it started out as a prank just to win

784
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:12,559
that inquirer money

785
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:15,919
and then once it exploded

786
00:32:20,630 --> 00:32:18,320
they saw how much it grew and they were

787
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:20,640
like you know we can't backstep on this

788
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:23,679
now because it's got a life of its own

789
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:25,760
and they just let it go

790
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,559
yeah yeah and i mean it was people what

791
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:31,519
people don't realize too is that like

792
00:32:35,750 --> 00:32:33,760
i don't know what the average ufo

793
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:35,760
conference appearance speaking fee is

794
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:37,360
but i've been told for travis it's

795
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,120
anywhere from a thousand to five

796
00:32:43,350 --> 00:32:40,559
thousand dollars

797
00:32:45,509 --> 00:32:43,360
or more from to talk for him to go

798
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:45,519
somewhere and talk for two hours is

799
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:48,159
thousands of dollars for for a few hours

800
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:48,960
work

801
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:50,320
i mean

802
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,039
that's to me that's that's a motive to

803
00:32:57,750 --> 00:32:55,760
continue this story and to continue and

804
00:32:59,269 --> 00:32:57,760
keep the lie going i'm going to get

805
00:33:02,149 --> 00:32:59,279
thousands of dollars we're talking about

806
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,159
a working class man that was a logger

807
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:04,000
and for those who don't know

808
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,279
i don't know what it's like to be a

809
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,279
lager but i know what it's like to

810
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:10,559
process firewood and it is terrible hard

811
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:12,960
back-breaking work imagine doing that

812
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,480
eight hours a day

813
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,000
and then suddenly

814
00:33:20,549 --> 00:33:18,320
you know instead of breaking your back

815
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,559
to make let's say one thousand dollars

816
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:23,440
in a full-on week of breaking your back

817
00:33:26,789 --> 00:33:24,799
and your body

818
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:26,799
you can go to a ufo conference and talk

819
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:28,080
for two hours and make two or three

820
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:29,600
times as much as you used to make in a

821
00:33:34,710 --> 00:33:32,799
week to me that's a motive right and

822
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:34,720
then we're selling we're selling we got

823
00:33:38,710 --> 00:33:36,960
a book deal now we're selling the rights

824
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:38,720
to the hollywood movie

825
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:40,559
there have been i think there have been

826
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,640
documentaries right and they probably

827
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:44,640
paid him for his participation in those

828
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,679
documentaries yeah he has been in he's

829
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,880
been in a bunch of different

830
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,720
documentaries where i'm sure they paid

831
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:52,320
him to appear in them and tell parts of

832
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,440
his story

833
00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,360
and he's got this ufo conference money

834
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:57,279
coming in we've got mike rogers selling

835
00:34:02,070 --> 00:33:59,039
three thousand dollar alien paintings

836
00:34:03,029 --> 00:34:02,080
for an event that he says is now a hoax

837
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,039
yeah

838
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:05,120
and i hold the money i believe they're

839
00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,399
now selling um

840
00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:10,399
they're kind of like collectible cards

841
00:34:16,470 --> 00:34:13,679
and he's autographing them

842
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,480
and it has the travis wong trading cards

843
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,800
yes exactly and it has the different

844
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,440
scenes that mike painted the different

845
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:23,839
scenes of the sequence of events that's

846
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:29,909
yeah i think that money has a great yeah

847
00:34:32,710 --> 00:34:31,119
i think you're right i think they

848
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,720
originally were just out for that prize

849
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:34,800
money and then once they saw the amount

850
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,679
of money and it would appear that travis

851
00:34:41,750 --> 00:34:40,159
has had to do this balancing act

852
00:34:43,669 --> 00:34:41,760
breaking off some of that money to give

853
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,679
to the witnesses so that they

854
00:34:47,829 --> 00:34:46,320
keep going and agreeing with him so that

855
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,839
he can keep going and making the money

856
00:34:51,909 --> 00:34:50,000
but it appears that mike rogers and him

857
00:34:52,869 --> 00:34:51,919
had this you know financial falling out

858
00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:52,879
and mike

859
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,800
felt like travis was being greedy

860
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:56,399
because there's no story without his

861
00:35:00,390 --> 00:34:58,240
confirmation of the story

862
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:00,400
suddenly the story is fake and he starts

863
00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:02,880
spilling the beans i have a secret to

864
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,200
whisper in your ear

865
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:06,720
yeah

866
00:35:12,950 --> 00:35:11,040
it's unbelievable but you know what

867
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:12,960
you're and i tell people because i know

868
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,800
there's still people out there we took a

869
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:16,800
lot of flack from

870
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:18,240
you know

871
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,240
yeah so did i and i did a tenth of the

872
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,160
coverage that you did on this thing and

873
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,400
it was i was getting private messages

874
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,640
from some pretty well-known researchers

875
00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:28,640
you know telling me you're gonna ruin

876
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,240
your reputation and don't do that and

877
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,680
you're you're going to ruin your

878
00:35:37,589 --> 00:35:36,240
reputation tell people the truth and i

879
00:35:40,630 --> 00:35:37,599
said you know what

880
00:35:43,030 --> 00:35:40,640
i can't stand back and look at what's in

881
00:35:45,270 --> 00:35:43,040
front of me and say you know what i'm

882
00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:45,280
just gonna dismiss all of that i just

883
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,750
yeah it's funny i think the whole thing

884
00:35:53,190 --> 00:35:51,760
was kind of funny and and i've had the

885
00:35:55,750 --> 00:35:53,200
same kind of stuff when i have

886
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,760
irrefutable proof that something is fake

887
00:36:00,790 --> 00:35:57,920
or that the story was hoaxed or that

888
00:36:02,790 --> 00:36:00,800
this person is absolutely 100 lying and

889
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:02,800
then people aren't still argue with me

890
00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:04,560
you know they they'll say

891
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:06,640
oh you know like you know i did stories

892
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:08,640
on stephen greer and they're like you

893
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,359
know

894
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:11,119
he's very well respected for all his

895
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:13,040
work for disclosure look i don't care

896
00:36:16,470 --> 00:36:14,800
i've got irrefutable proof here that

897
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,480
he's lying through his teeth i'm not

898
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:18,240
just gonna sit here with that i'm gonna

899
00:36:21,190 --> 00:36:19,599
tell people

900
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:21,200
you know yeah

901
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:22,000
you know

902
00:36:25,030 --> 00:36:23,359
i mean

903
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:25,040
but isn't there listen you know this

904
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:26,640
circus very well

905
00:36:30,790 --> 00:36:29,359
uh is there is like an unwritten rule

906
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,800
among many of these so-called

907
00:36:34,069 --> 00:36:32,560
researchers and people that appear at

908
00:36:37,670 --> 00:36:34,079
these ufo conferences and it kind of

909
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:37,680
goes like don't ruin my ufo con

910
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,760
with facts and evidence and i'll stay

911
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:41,839
out of your ufo they don't comment on

912
00:36:46,870 --> 00:36:44,400
each other's cons they they all work

913
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:46,880
together it's one big happy family it's

914
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,000
a big group scott brown yeah we ain't in

915
00:36:55,190 --> 00:36:52,640
it we ain't in it no we are not getting

916
00:36:57,510 --> 00:36:55,200
these ufo dollars i can't get two grand

917
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:57,520
to talk for an hour at a conference

918
00:37:01,750 --> 00:36:59,280
no like i would probably be that i would

919
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,760
probably be so hated i would show up and

920
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:03,760
i would do a slideshow presentation on

921
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:06,320
all the fake stuff in ufology for two

922
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:08,160
hours straight and with a bunch of these

923
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:13,270
yeah

924
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:15,440
you know and i just go in there and just

925
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:17,359
jizz right scott brown just go in there

926
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:20,240
and just jizz all over it just gets all

927
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:22,480
over it like yeah you know that story er

928
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:25,760
that's fake the story that one's fake

929
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:26,880
you know

930
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:30,640
i mean you're always gonna have your

931
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:32,800
people that are heavily invested in a

932
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:34,240
case

933
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:37,200
like i tell people i was too but once i

934
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:38,960
looked at it critically

935
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,119
tried to really think about it looked at

936
00:37:45,030 --> 00:37:42,720
all the stuff that

937
00:37:47,109 --> 00:37:45,040
charlie wiser had gathered all the stuff

938
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:47,119
that ryan had gathered going back

939
00:37:53,109 --> 00:37:49,520
through we i went through back through

940
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:53,119
one pdf that was 400 pages

941
00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:53,920
of

942
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:56,960
newspaper articles and

943
00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,839
you know approp files ground saucer watt

944
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,400
files and looked at everything and i

945
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,800
said you know what these guys are full

946
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,760
of [\h__\h] and they fooled those five guys

947
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,839
all these years

948
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,320
yeah and some people still don't want to

949
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:14,000
believe it there's still hardcore

950
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:15,440
believing people on the live chat right

951
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,760
now v is one of our big show uh

952
00:38:23,109 --> 00:38:20,160
supporters long time long time friend of

953
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,119
the show and she said i agree with scott

954
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,200
on almost everything but i'm not ready

955
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:27,119
to agree with someone that on travis

956
00:38:31,030 --> 00:38:28,720
walton you know

957
00:38:33,030 --> 00:38:31,040
some people just and that's okay

958
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:33,040
that's okay it's okay to disagree yeah

959
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:34,800
all you all we can do

960
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,200
is show everyone the evidence that we

961
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:39,359
have and let people make up their own

962
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:41,760
minds my mind's made up and and i

963
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,800
thought that the evidence was

964
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:44,480
overwhelming and convincing but for

965
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:46,160
other people they're still not yet

966
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,760
convinced maybe they're holding on to

967
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,800
the story

968
00:38:53,109 --> 00:38:50,800
like i did because they really i love

969
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:53,119
the story it's a great story yeah it was

970
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:55,359
uh you know and when the movie came out

971
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:58,880
i was like blown away and like you said

972
00:39:04,150 --> 00:39:01,839
the the the scenes on board of the ship

973
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,160
were just absolutely terrifying i was

974
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:06,960
like yeah and i i just rarely i rarely

975
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,720
go to movies in the theater i went and

976
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:10,160
saw that in the theater because i wanted

977
00:39:14,710 --> 00:39:11,920
to see it on the big screen with the

978
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,720
good sound and you know yeah yeah spend

979
00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:16,800
eighty dollars for popcorn in a soda but

980
00:39:23,750 --> 00:39:18,560
it was worth it it was a great great

981
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,910
yeah i'm turning to my parents i got my

982
00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:27,680
kid wants to start going to the movies

983
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:29,200
so i gotta find some movies and then i'm

984
00:39:34,550 --> 00:39:31,280
gonna turn to my parents and be like you

985
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:34,560
know jamming soda cans in my pockets and

986
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:38,710
hey that's

987
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,640
that's what we do when we used to go we

988
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:42,560
used to just go no i'll just spring for

989
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:44,000
it because i'm too embarrassed to get

990
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:44,960
caught

991
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:47,520
you know like oh no

992
00:39:52,870 --> 00:39:50,320
and you're right i mean it's like 150

993
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:52,880
bucks just to go to the movies for one

994
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,760
time

995
00:39:57,990 --> 00:39:55,920
yeah me and my wife and my two kids go i

996
00:40:00,390 --> 00:39:58,000
mean you know it's 60 bucks just for the

997
00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:00,400
tickets and then it's it's got to be

998
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:02,960
another 60 bucks for the popcorn and the

999
00:40:06,870 --> 00:40:05,520
candy and all that everything else so

1000
00:40:09,109 --> 00:40:06,880
that's where they make their money at

1001
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:09,119
the concession stand that's why i watch

1002
00:40:14,470 --> 00:40:11,280
movies at home i got a big projector in

1003
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:14,480
my living room it's like 80 inch

1004
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,480
nice nice i got to hook up a sound

1005
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,160
system though maybe i'll watch fire in

1006
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,200
the sky when that i haven't yet

1007
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,040
you have a view party

1008
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:25,280
so besides this

1009
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:26,960
travis walton that's been a big

1010
00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:28,800
adventure for you so i wanted to talk

1011
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,560
about that first but

1012
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,560
you're also we're covering and looking

1013
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,400
into this anjali

1014
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,920
you even contributed some of the

1015
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:38,000
questions i wanted to bring your

1016
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:40,079
questions into her interview

1017
00:40:42,630 --> 00:40:41,280
first

1018
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:42,640
and you can be honest what did you think

1019
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,599
of that interview first of all

1020
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,599
you know what i watched him both i

1021
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,240
watched jimmy church's which i thought

1022
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,040
was you know like a lot of people said

1023
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:55,680
it was just all softball questions he

1024
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,200
wasn't like trying to really get at her

1025
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:01,520
whereas the interview you did was much

1026
00:41:04,069 --> 00:41:02,400
better

1027
00:41:06,069 --> 00:41:04,079
you were really trying to dig in there

1028
00:41:08,309 --> 00:41:06,079
but you kept telling her you know i'm

1029
00:41:10,230 --> 00:41:08,319
not you know trying to be an ass i'm

1030
00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,240
just i'm i'm trying to yeah i was that

1031
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:12,560
was a balancing act scott brown and it

1032
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:13,440
was

1033
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:17,839
really good and i i i totally loved

1034
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:20,560
yours much better than his well thank

1035
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,240
you for that i appreciate it and it has

1036
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,319
nothing to do with me thinking that he's

1037
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:27,599
just a dick but

1038
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:29,200
you know what though here's here's what

1039
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,160
i'll say

1040
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:32,000
uh you know i've had my differences with

1041
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,680
that guy i think he's got enough

1042
00:41:38,069 --> 00:41:36,240
problems and he doesn't need me like uh

1043
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:38,079
saying anything negative about him so i

1044
00:41:41,349 --> 00:41:39,520
wish him the best of luck in all his

1045
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:41,359
future endeavors and we're gonna i'm

1046
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:42,960
gonna at least try to be the bigger man

1047
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:44,319
and not mention

1048
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:46,880
him or disparage him even when he calls

1049
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:48,560
me a douche

1050
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,920
you know like

1051
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,400
having a tough time it's all good

1052
00:41:56,390 --> 00:41:54,720
you know so i mean your interview was

1053
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,400
much better with her

1054
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,079
um

1055
00:42:01,829 --> 00:42:00,000
and you really got in there you know and

1056
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:01,839
you asked a couple of the ones that i

1057
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:04,000
asked which were

1058
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:05,520
you know i

1059
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:06,400
and i

1060
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,319
i probably shouldn't have went at her

1061
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:10,480
like i did because you know i said this

1062
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:13,200
woman needs help and you know i may

1063
00:42:16,710 --> 00:42:14,880
agree with you though but i understand

1064
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:16,720
the passion that you go you start seeing

1065
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:18,560
some of her claims and you go

1066
00:42:21,829 --> 00:42:20,400
this woman's may be delusional she may

1067
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:21,839
be schizophrenic she may be having a

1068
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,079
psychotic breakdown here she needs help

1069
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:26,720
and that was one of my theories was

1070
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,640
mental illness and the other

1071
00:42:33,349 --> 00:42:30,880
big theory that i have and i keep i

1072
00:42:35,750 --> 00:42:33,359
don't know maybe it's because i did dmt

1073
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,760
and saw a purple being right i have

1074
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:38,000
friends that did dmt and saw purple

1075
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,200
being you can go on youtube and just

1076
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:44,160
search in the search bar dmt being

1077
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,400
almost everybody that does dmt

1078
00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,800
experiences this purple being some

1079
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:51,119
people it's a purple lady some people

1080
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,960
it's a purple man to some people it's

1081
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,079
vishnu

1082
00:42:59,510 --> 00:42:57,040
the the hindu god that's purple right to

1083
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:59,520
some people it's it's a purple alien to

1084
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,720
some people

1085
00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,560
it's a it's a purple interdimensional

1086
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,640
being i've read one account where the

1087
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,960
guy thought it was a purple dragon being

1088
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:08,079
you know

1089
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,280
so it's so common in dmt to experience

1090
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:13,200
meeting a purple being

1091
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:14,400
and that's

1092
00:43:18,550 --> 00:43:16,400
a huge part of her story is the purple

1093
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,560
being that she claims as an alien that

1094
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,040
she met and so i think either knowingly

1095
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:22,720
or unknowingly she may have gotten dose

1096
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:24,240
with dmt

1097
00:43:27,270 --> 00:43:25,359
that's my

1098
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,280
leading theory right now and i'm

1099
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:29,119
concerned because

1100
00:43:33,510 --> 00:43:30,800
she's going to take a group of people to

1101
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,520
this mountain and if there's no dmt none

1102
00:43:37,510 --> 00:43:35,200
of them are seeing the aliens or the

1103
00:43:40,230 --> 00:43:37,520
purple being maybe if she gets them all

1104
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:40,240
smoking dmt before they go in the tunnel

1105
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,800
they'll see the aliens and i say this

1106
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,480
with you know i have a lot of respect

1107
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,800
because at least she came on the show

1108
00:43:50,470 --> 00:43:48,880
knowing my reputation for being you know

1109
00:43:52,550 --> 00:43:50,480
rough on people

1110
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,560
she was courageous enough to come here

1111
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:54,800
and as long as her only requirement is

1112
00:43:59,430 --> 00:43:57,200
that i had agreed to be respectful

1113
00:44:00,790 --> 00:43:59,440
and that's fair you know

1114
00:44:03,030 --> 00:44:00,800
but i think this is all going to come

1115
00:44:04,870 --> 00:44:03,040
crashing crashing down and by the way

1116
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,880
there's a trigger there's a twitter poll

1117
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:06,880
of who gets to go to the mountain and

1118
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:09,440
right now i'm losing to

1119
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:11,920
a dead stan freeman and i knew him a

1120
00:44:16,550 --> 00:44:13,520
little bit

1121
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:16,560
and stan friedman is right now laughing

1122
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,880
from wherever he is at steve campion

1123
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:21,119
going i'm dead and i'm beating you in a

1124
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:23,920
poll bro i'm telling you i know him i

1125
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,880
know his sense of humor he would be in

1126
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,240
stitches

1127
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:31,359
looking at me losing to him in a twitter

1128
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:32,160
poll

1129
00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:33,920
while he's dead

1130
00:44:37,190 --> 00:44:35,040
right

1131
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:37,200
and i'm also losing this stephen bassett

1132
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,280
which i'm a little offended by nothing

1133
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,880
against the guy but

1134
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:42,000
i i don't

1135
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:43,520
i don't know how i'm losing to stephen

1136
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:45,680
bassett but it's it's like

1137
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:48,800
i was stunned that she put me in it

1138
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:52,480
you know i and i'm losing to ryan sprake

1139
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:55,680
oh come on ryan yeah i'm losing to him

1140
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,680
so you know so i mean don't you think

1141
00:45:01,750 --> 00:44:59,920
that this is like

1142
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:01,760
part of me is a little offended by this

1143
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,480
selection process so basically

1144
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,119
her selection process is a twitter poll

1145
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,119
and a popularity contest

1146
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,520
if you're the most popular of these

1147
00:45:15,750 --> 00:45:13,440
ufo clown people

1148
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:15,760
uh from this ufo circus you're gonna get

1149
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,520
to go to the mountain and see the aliens

1150
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:19,520
but if you're not mr popular and i

1151
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:21,599
didn't win any popularity contest in

1152
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:23,359
high school i'm not going to win them

1153
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:25,440
for this don't you think she should pick

1154
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:26,800
people based on like their

1155
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,800
qualifications their experience their

1156
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,200
research that they've done in the past

1157
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:34,079
their writing their whatever right right

1158
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:35,359
that's my take

1159
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:36,400
yeah

1160
00:45:40,950 --> 00:45:38,960
i was you know scrolling down the list i

1161
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:40,960
was stunned at some of the people who

1162
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:43,839
got you know chose to be on the list and

1163
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,240
like you said it seems like it's just a

1164
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,480
list of

1165
00:45:53,109 --> 00:45:51,119
kind of people that are out there in ufo

1166
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,119
twitter and they're always posting and

1167
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,599
talking and you know i mean there's a

1168
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,839
few people like if stanton friedman was

1169
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:59,680
alive

1170
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:02,079
you know i think he'd be a good choice

1171
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,640
to go yeah but you know i mean the guy's

1172
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,040
got he had a ton of experience

1173
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:08,960
very smart guy

1174
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,280
um yeah a nuclear physicist i mean

1175
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,960
he would be a good he was he's a

1176
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:15,200
scientist take a good scientist like

1177
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,400
that

1178
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:18,000
yeah and and

1179
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:20,800
you know some of the people are just

1180
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:22,560
i don't know them i don't know

1181
00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:24,000
i don't know

1182
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:25,920
either so i'm hoping that some of them

1183
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,319
are real scientists and stuff but the

1184
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,000
other issue is that

1185
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,760
i've heard that she didn't even ask any

1186
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,280
of these people if they wanted to be on

1187
00:46:36,150 --> 00:46:34,800
the list she just put a bunch of people

1188
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,160
on the list

1189
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,720
so she may get people winning polls that

1190
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:41,280
say i can't go i won't go i don't want

1191
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,400
to go

1192
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,640
i think there's there's three or four

1193
00:46:48,790 --> 00:46:46,560
that have already backed out and they

1194
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,800
don't want anything to do with it

1195
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:51,119
you know and she never said anything to

1196
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,920
me i mean why would she her and i kind

1197
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:55,200
of

1198
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,829
as i'm going down the list i'm like why

1199
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:03,839
did she put me on the list i don't get

1200
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:05,599
it so

1201
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:06,880
to

1202
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:08,079
kind of

1203
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:09,440
and just so you know somebody in the

1204
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:11,280
live chat said that ryan sprague doesn't

1205
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:12,880
even want to go

1206
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:15,440
i heard that i heard he had posted

1207
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:17,119
somewhere that he doesn't want anything

1208
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,480
to do with it

1209
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:19,920
um

1210
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:22,079
so because of that

1211
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:23,839
she chose me

1212
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,720
i did a tribute video and i just posted

1213
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:28,800
it right before the show

1214
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:30,720
and it's on my twitter it's only a

1215
00:47:36,069 --> 00:47:34,240
minute and 32 seconds long but it's got

1216
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:36,079
some funny parts in it i fooled around

1217
00:47:39,670 --> 00:47:38,400
with some animation with some green

1218
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:39,680
screens

1219
00:47:42,710 --> 00:47:41,359
and uh

1220
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,720
you know

1221
00:47:46,309 --> 00:47:44,640
all those p brian x is saying out of all

1222
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,319
those people on the list she's gonna

1223
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:48,160
narrow it down to one person from the

1224
00:47:51,829 --> 00:47:49,440
twitter poll

1225
00:47:53,589 --> 00:47:51,839
and the rest are her picked team members

1226
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,599
i suppose

1227
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,720
right and

1228
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:56,800
that sounds about right i mean

1229
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:58,480
but i'm not really sure why you want to

1230
00:48:02,390 --> 00:48:00,160
make a poll with a bunch of people and

1231
00:48:04,470 --> 00:48:02,400
then whittle it down to one person it's

1232
00:48:06,230 --> 00:48:04,480
kind of doesn't make sense

1233
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:06,240
yeah and pyramid seven said she's

1234
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,400
forcing types of engagement and linking

1235
00:48:11,829 --> 00:48:10,319
to her toward somebody else also

1236
00:48:12,790 --> 00:48:11,839
commented that's all linked to her

1237
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,800
twitter

1238
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,880
i'm sorry her linkedin profile which she

1239
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,720
could be just generating clicks for her

1240
00:48:20,710 --> 00:48:19,280
linkedin you know right jolly bridgeman

1241
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:20,720
says interesting to see whose comments

1242
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,160
are being deleted every time they make

1243
00:48:26,790 --> 00:48:24,480
one so who has an issue with everything

1244
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,800
daily gift i don't know what's going on

1245
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,720
in the live chat moderators should not

1246
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,480
be deleting comments unless they are

1247
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:32,400
personally insulting or

1248
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,640
you know homophobic transphobic or

1249
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,680
racist that's our rules here anybody can

1250
00:48:41,190 --> 00:48:38,960
you know say whatever they want to say

1251
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,200
just be respectful of the other

1252
00:48:46,309 --> 00:48:43,920
uh live chat participants no personal

1253
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:46,319
attacks things like that everything else

1254
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,319
should be left by the moderators if you

1255
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:50,319
disagree with some something somebody

1256
00:48:52,790 --> 00:48:51,520
says

1257
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:52,800
having a wrench doesn't give you the

1258
00:48:56,230 --> 00:48:54,319
right to delete it

1259
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:56,240
there

1260
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:57,520
okay

1261
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,520
uh lord ludacris plaid says if you

1262
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:02,319
include skeptics in the pool it makes it

1263
00:49:06,309 --> 00:49:04,640
look more legit yeah and notice none of

1264
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:06,319
the skeptics are winning the polls

1265
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:08,240
though

1266
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,160
exactly they call the true believers or

1267
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,240
in my case i'm getting beaten by dead

1268
00:49:18,549 --> 00:49:16,480
stan freeman but i'm okay with that

1269
00:49:21,349 --> 00:49:18,559
because he would laugh about this

1270
00:49:23,510 --> 00:49:21,359
but you know did stan friedman he would

1271
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:23,520
call me up and go

1272
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:26,880
young man i am beating you

1273
00:49:31,510 --> 00:49:29,440
and i'm dead i'm dead and i'm still

1274
00:49:33,190 --> 00:49:31,520
doing better than you bro

1275
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:33,200
he would he had a good sense of humor he

1276
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,720
would i'm telling you he's laughing

1277
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,079
somewhere knowing that he's beating me

1278
00:49:40,390 --> 00:49:38,960
in a poll on twitter as he's you know in

1279
00:49:41,910 --> 00:49:40,400
heaven or

1280
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,920
you know

1281
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,839
shangri-la wherever he is i hope he's

1282
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:46,079
someplace good good guy and miss him

1283
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:46,960
yeah

1284
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:49,680
i am hiding hector hectors

1285
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:50,640
okay

1286
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:53,040
somebody put the link to my video in the

1287
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,240
chat room

1288
00:49:56,950 --> 00:49:56,160
oh they did okay

1289
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:56,960
yeah

1290
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:59,359
uh mojave mountain transcension i don't

1291
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:00,880
know that i could get it from here i

1292
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,960
have to get it from the actual oh it's

1293
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:04,880
on your twitter right i can get there to

1294
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,040
get it yeah that's what i'll get it over

1295
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:09,280
there yes so this seems like you know

1296
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:11,440
i've heard this whole

1297
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:14,720
thing of ufos being called uh you know a

1298
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:17,839
circus and uh

1299
00:50:22,630 --> 00:50:21,200
i think that it is yeah it is it is

1300
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,640
you know it's definitely a circus and

1301
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:24,559
i'm getting called the circus ringleader

1302
00:50:30,069 --> 00:50:27,920
lately because i'm hosting her and

1303
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,079
people have this mistaken belief that

1304
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,079
just because i host a guest i believe

1305
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,480
everything they say and i'm i'm backing

1306
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,480
them up you know

1307
00:50:41,670 --> 00:50:39,200
it's a balancing act here

1308
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:41,680
yeah well i mean you know

1309
00:50:45,109 --> 00:50:44,160
it's kind of like this where

1310
00:50:47,430 --> 00:50:45,119
you know

1311
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,440
erica and i always talk during the week

1312
00:50:50,069 --> 00:50:49,280
before the show

1313
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:50,079
and

1314
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,119
you know we just feel that

1315
00:50:56,710 --> 00:50:55,599
as time goes on and more shows are being

1316
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,720
made

1317
00:51:01,990 --> 00:50:59,119
that we kind of treat it like journalism

1318
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:02,000
you know instead of

1319
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:03,760
bearing down on these people you know

1320
00:51:09,190 --> 00:51:06,480
just ask them the hard questions try to

1321
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,200
get them to answer certain things oh i'm

1322
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:10,880
on your twitter this is brilliant and i

1323
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,750
scott's got

1324
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,000
a fun animation right i have the right

1325
00:51:22,230 --> 00:51:19,920
one right this so in honor of being

1326
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,240
chosen to participate in the mojave

1327
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,880
mountain transcension project expedition

1328
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:26,720
team here is my contribution to the

1329
00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:29,040
dance party in the desert

1330
00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:31,680
speaking of a circus scott brown look

1331
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,760
what scott brown did oh this is

1332
00:51:37,589 --> 00:51:35,839
beautiful i love it i love it scott

1333
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,599
brown and we're gonna

1334
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:39,440
sight fair use even though the author of

1335
00:51:43,430 --> 00:51:40,880
this is here we have your permission to

1336
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:43,440
play this right absolutely all right

1337
00:53:12,309 --> 00:51:46,400
here we go

1338
00:53:12,319 --> 00:53:15,510
and

1339
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:17,750
oh no

1340
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:21,040
that made my day thank you

1341
00:53:24,790 --> 00:53:22,800
yeah i was just rolling around you know

1342
00:53:26,790 --> 00:53:24,800
fooling around with green screens and

1343
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:26,800
different things i've done that myself

1344
00:53:30,230 --> 00:53:28,960
i've got a bunch of dancing girls that's

1345
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:30,240
what i you know

1346
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:31,839
used to make my intros out of but

1347
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,079
apparently you remember those i remember

1348
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,920
those oh it's funny though youtube now

1349
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:38,319
that we're monetized they flag them for

1350
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,880
bare nipples and babies

1351
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,480
every time almost every time i play at

1352
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:44,400
the youtube it flags me from bare

1353
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:46,079
breasts in my video and i'm like they're

1354
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:48,000
not bare breasts they got

1355
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,319
clothes you know they got some got

1356
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:52,319
bikini tops but they got clothes you

1357
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:53,040
know

1358
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:54,559
they're not naked

1359
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:55,680
wow

1360
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:57,520
so i don't know if i'm gonna redo those

1361
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,240
or something right

1362
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:02,480
block them out right so let me ask you a

1363
00:54:06,470 --> 00:54:04,640
serious question i i really want to know

1364
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:06,480
the answer to this because

1365
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:09,520
i haven't decided what would i do if i

1366
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:11,760
won this whole twitter thing and i was

1367
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:13,599
the one selected to go because i'd have

1368
00:54:19,030 --> 00:54:16,559
to like get on a plane and i guess pay

1369
00:54:19,990 --> 00:54:19,040
for the plane myself and the hotel or

1370
00:54:21,589 --> 00:54:20,000
whatever

1371
00:54:23,349 --> 00:54:21,599
i'd at least be up there for a day or

1372
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:23,359
two probably

1373
00:54:28,150 --> 00:54:25,599
uh to find out if those aliens are

1374
00:54:29,829 --> 00:54:28,160
really there i don't think they're there

1375
00:54:31,430 --> 00:54:29,839
and and so for me it would be a hard

1376
00:54:33,190 --> 00:54:31,440
decision like do i really want to spend

1377
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:33,200
all this money to go out there and and

1378
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:35,599
not see anything and

1379
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:37,040
but then i would kind of want to be the

1380
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,799
witness to see how that

1381
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,680
this all comes crashing down right

1382
00:54:45,829 --> 00:54:44,160
yeah so if you're selected

1383
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,839
where are you at in the country and are

1384
00:54:50,230 --> 00:54:47,920
you going to actually go

1385
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,240
i'm in massachusetts

1386
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:52,160
oh so it's a big plane ride for you too

1387
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,760
yeah yeah yeah so i mean for me it's not

1388
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:57,839
really a question of

1389
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:01,760
if i would go or not i'm i'm

1390
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:04,960
i don't put much faith well really any

1391
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,240
faith in the story at all

1392
00:55:12,470 --> 00:55:10,559
i'm so used to these people coming

1393
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,480
forward in the community over and over

1394
00:55:17,430 --> 00:55:14,400
and over again that it's just

1395
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:17,440
it's not for me i i respect the fact

1396
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:20,480
that she chose me to go on the list and

1397
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,079
i don't have any especially after you

1398
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:23,920
were kind of harsh towards her and so

1399
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:25,839
was i in fairness i was very harsh

1400
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:28,000
towards her and you know what's funny is

1401
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,599
i got i took a lot of flack for

1402
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:31,520
apologizing to her

1403
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,319
but

1404
00:55:36,870 --> 00:55:34,640
the reason i apologized is because i

1405
00:55:37,990 --> 00:55:36,880
said things before i knew what i was

1406
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:38,000
talking about

1407
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:40,000
you know i said like her education

1408
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,520
that's going to turn out to be fake she

1409
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,280
didn't work for the dia

1410
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:45,359
her her employment history is probably

1411
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:46,640
fake

1412
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:48,160
this girl's probably a total fraud just

1413
00:55:50,870 --> 00:55:49,680
making up the story because at the

1414
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:50,880
beginning and that's what it looked like

1415
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,640
she was starting a documentary writing a

1416
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,240
book and all this stuff i thought it was

1417
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,480
a big money grab right and then i looked

1418
00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,240
into some of the stuff and said well i

1419
00:56:01,990 --> 00:55:59,920
was wrong about this this and this so i

1420
00:56:03,430 --> 00:56:02,000
thought it was appropriate to apologize

1421
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:03,440
and i thought that would set the tone

1422
00:56:08,789 --> 00:56:05,599
for the interview like look i'm not your

1423
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:08,799
enemy i i made a mistake i said

1424
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,319
things about you that were untrue so i

1425
00:56:15,270 --> 00:56:12,000
apologize and let's

1426
00:56:18,549 --> 00:56:15,280
dig into the story now respectfully i

1427
00:56:22,789 --> 00:56:20,470
and it went great i mean the interview

1428
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:22,799
was great i stand by it and and i stand

1429
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:25,680
by my decision to do it right regardless

1430
00:56:33,349 --> 00:56:29,839
of the fact that you get you can't can't

1431
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:33,359
think it was real good i i um

1432
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,400
you know

1433
00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:36,720
another problem for me is i really

1434
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:38,960
wouldn't be able to afford to fly out

1435
00:56:44,390 --> 00:56:41,760
there anyways even if it was you know i

1436
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:44,400
got the go-ahead and everything and you

1437
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:46,240
know so that's kind of working against

1438
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:49,040
me but um yeah maybe two i mean a plane

1439
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:50,720
ticket right now to me would be a huge

1440
00:56:54,870 --> 00:56:52,559
amount of money and yeah

1441
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,880
and then also i have an autistic son

1442
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:56,720
that i generally take care of when he's

1443
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,920
not in school you know so

1444
00:57:03,430 --> 00:57:01,760
and and he's it's

1445
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,440
his situation is that you can't just get

1446
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,520
a babysitter for three days right you

1447
00:57:08,549 --> 00:57:07,119
know it would have to be a close family

1448
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:08,559
member we'd have to

1449
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,319
organize this whole

1450
00:57:13,829 --> 00:57:12,319
thing of how to make sure he's taken

1451
00:57:15,589 --> 00:57:13,839
care of while i'm gone for a few days

1452
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,599
and it's to me it's like is it worth it

1453
00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:18,000
when i think it's going to be a big

1454
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:20,240
it's going to be the biggest letdown i

1455
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:22,079
think for there's a lot of people that

1456
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,520
believe her and i think they're all

1457
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,520
going to be very very disappointed it's

1458
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:27,200
going to come crashing down

1459
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,040
no aliens

1460
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,359
it's going to be al capone's vault all

1461
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,960
over again man

1462
00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:34,799
look at walter bosley is in the live

1463
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:35,920
chat

1464
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,240
proving that we will let anybody in our

1465
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:41,119
live chat even walter bosley we've even

1466
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,799
let former intelligence people

1467
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:47,040
he's a company man he's a spook

1468
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,880
i listen to walter's show he's got a

1469
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,480
pretty good show

1470
00:57:54,630 --> 00:57:52,640
scott brown he's an intelligence asset

1471
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:54,640
and probably working for the cia

1472
00:58:00,789 --> 00:57:57,119
spreading disinformation about those

1473
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,549
yeah uh well it you know i don't know

1474
00:58:08,950 --> 00:58:06,640
i don't know where that where so

1475
00:58:10,789 --> 00:58:08,960
what do you think she's going to do when

1476
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,799
there's no aliens she's just going to

1477
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:12,559
slink slit like

1478
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:15,599
like sneak away and and

1479
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,520
get out of the spotlight or is she going

1480
00:58:22,069 --> 00:58:19,680
to double down with excuses for why

1481
00:58:24,150 --> 00:58:22,079
there's no aliens like they laughed or

1482
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:24,160
we weren't spiritually advanced enough

1483
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,440
so they didn't want to talk to these

1484
00:58:30,710 --> 00:58:27,760
people that i brought or you know

1485
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:30,720
well you saw her post a couple weeks ago

1486
00:58:36,069 --> 00:58:34,160
right where somebody asked her

1487
00:58:39,510 --> 00:58:36,079
uh i can't remember exactly what the

1488
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,520
question was but her response to it was

1489
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:42,319
i now believe that if the doorway may

1490
00:58:46,630 --> 00:58:44,640
have been dimensional

1491
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:46,640
that means it's not physical or real

1492
00:58:51,109 --> 00:58:48,960
right so i mean

1493
00:58:53,190 --> 00:58:51,119
i think it's kind of like already

1494
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:53,200
setting it up to

1495
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:55,760
have a way to get around it or get out

1496
00:58:58,710 --> 00:58:56,799
of it

1497
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:58,720
you know i mean either that or she has

1498
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:02,160
to figure out a way to aerosolize dmt

1499
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:02,960
right

1500
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:04,960
like if they could get a tank and it had

1501
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:08,319
oxygen that was infused with dmt and get

1502
00:59:12,069 --> 00:59:09,760
people in the tunnel and then you just

1503
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:12,079
turn on the tank and everybody's getting

1504
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:13,520
dosed and then they're all starting to

1505
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:15,520
see what oh i'm starting to see a purple

1506
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:17,119
alien you know

1507
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:20,880
yeah that was my uh and you know

1508
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:23,680
i'm saying that jokingly but like i

1509
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,559
really did think that like maybe that's

1510
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:29,040
the plan and that would be nefarious but

1511
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:29,920
you know

1512
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:32,000
ufo cults have done some strange things

1513
00:59:38,230 --> 00:59:34,960
in the past right so it's not

1514
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:38,240
not that crazy of an idea no no it's not

1515
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,559
out of the question at all especially

1516
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:41,599
with

1517
00:59:45,670 --> 00:59:43,040
you know the things that have gone on in

1518
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:45,680
the past i mean christ how many dozens

1519
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:46,640
of

1520
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,520
whacked out ufo religions around the

1521
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:51,200
world and

1522
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:53,119
gurus and

1523
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:55,680
i'm not saying that she's

1524
00:59:59,190 --> 00:59:58,319
setting out to do that

1525
01:00:01,589 --> 00:59:59,200
but

1526
01:00:04,230 --> 01:00:01,599
to me though it does sound like it to me

1527
01:00:06,069 --> 01:00:04,240
it does and but a lot of the stuff that

1528
01:00:09,750 --> 01:00:06,079
she you know

1529
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:09,760
writes on twitter and she talks about

1530
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,359
it's like all old rehashed

1531
01:00:17,109 --> 01:00:16,000
new age stuff that people have done

1532
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:17,119
before

1533
01:00:22,549 --> 01:00:18,960
it's all rehashed stuff from from

1534
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,559
eastern religion and buddhism and the

1535
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:24,160
law of one

1536
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:25,040
and

1537
01:00:30,549 --> 01:00:28,079
you know uh the urantia book you know

1538
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,559
it's they all have the same it looks it

1539
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:32,160
seems to me that a lot of these new age

1540
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:33,680
people are all drinking from the same

1541
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,799
well of

1542
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:36,720
source material and they just sort of

1543
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:39,119
modify it to fit their story

1544
01:00:43,190 --> 01:00:41,520
right you know right i mean there's

1545
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,200
interesting that there's a lot of fake

1546
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:44,960
spiritual gurus

1547
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:47,760
out there you know uh and we covered one

1548
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,720
called jason shirka and he's using he's

1549
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:52,799
teaching people kabbalah

1550
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:55,760
but he's not saying it's kabbalah he he

1551
01:00:59,829 --> 01:00:58,880
took the kabbalah teachings many of them

1552
01:01:02,549 --> 01:00:59,839
and he

1553
01:01:05,270 --> 01:01:02,559
put aliens in the place of the god

1554
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:05,280
and the deities in the kabbalah so in

1555
01:01:08,870 --> 01:01:07,119
other words instead of god and demons

1556
01:01:12,390 --> 01:01:08,880
and angels he's got

1557
01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:12,400
higher aliens and servitor aliens

1558
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:15,040
it's just a reworking though of the

1559
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:17,359
kabbalah teachings but he put it he put

1560
01:01:20,950 --> 01:01:19,599
aliens in it i think i vaguely have

1561
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,960
heard of him

1562
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:22,960
but you know i mean

1563
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,280
i was talking to my my research partner

1564
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:27,280
dan today

1565
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:31,359
we were discussing just that whereas

1566
01:01:36,069 --> 01:01:33,359
you know and don't get me wrong i'm not

1567
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,079
saying she's purposely doing it but for

1568
01:01:42,069 --> 01:01:39,119
some of these people that come along

1569
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:42,079
they see that a large section of the ufo

1570
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,440
community is very gullible

1571
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:47,200
and they extremely gullible yeah and

1572
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,520
they prey on it it's it's like

1573
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:51,839
it's like anything else like religions

1574
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,079
it's the same thing they prey on the

1575
01:01:57,430 --> 01:01:55,760
gullible people

1576
01:02:00,069 --> 01:01:57,440
and

1577
01:02:02,390 --> 01:02:00,079
they recognize those people they know

1578
01:02:04,950 --> 01:02:02,400
the ones that you know are gonna follow

1579
01:02:06,950 --> 01:02:04,960
and um you know you have the truth and

1580
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,960
i'm gonna go wherever you go and believe

1581
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,880
whatever you believe

1582
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:10,799
and they they recognize that they're not

1583
01:02:14,789 --> 01:02:13,599
stupid they figure it out and they prey

1584
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:14,799
on it

1585
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:17,359
so for her

1586
01:02:23,029 --> 01:02:20,559
i mean you know let's say she does

1587
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:23,039
the the expedition goes on

1588
01:02:27,190 --> 01:02:25,039
and they back out for some reason you

1589
01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:27,200
know the dimensional doorway didn't open

1590
01:02:33,990 --> 01:02:32,000
or the aliens left or some other excuse

1591
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:34,000
i think she's just gonna keep moving the

1592
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:36,160
goal post down the road like most of

1593
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:37,359
them do

1594
01:02:42,789 --> 01:02:40,400
and just keep saying okay on this date

1595
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:42,799
they've promised to meet me in this spot

1596
01:02:47,029 --> 01:02:45,200
or they're gonna make themselves known

1597
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:47,039
you know and it's just gonna keep going

1598
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,640
and going and going

1599
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:50,880
eventually she's gonna write a book

1600
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:52,799
they're they're gonna make a documentary

1601
01:02:55,910 --> 01:02:54,079
about her

1602
01:02:58,870 --> 01:02:55,920
you know so

1603
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,880
yeah i thought that she was somewhat of

1604
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,880
a unicorn though

1605
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:03,119
scott brown and here's what i mean it's

1606
01:03:06,950 --> 01:03:05,119
so often that these people come out and

1607
01:03:09,109 --> 01:03:06,960
then when you start looking into their

1608
01:03:11,190 --> 01:03:09,119
background the background falls apart in

1609
01:03:12,549 --> 01:03:11,200
her case at least her employment and her

1610
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,559
military and the things that she was

1611
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:14,640
saying that she did in the past

1612
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,960
and her education it all seems to check

1613
01:03:21,430 --> 01:03:19,039
out is real which makes her somewhat

1614
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,440
rare because usually the fake education

1615
01:03:24,630 --> 01:03:23,039
or no you didn't really work where you

1616
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:24,640
said you worked or

1617
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,520
you know

1618
01:03:29,190 --> 01:03:27,520
there's always this murkiness of whether

1619
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:29,200
their background is real or not in her

1620
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:30,960
case it was real and the other thing

1621
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:32,960
that i thought made her a unicorn

1622
01:03:38,870 --> 01:03:36,880
is that she gave a hard date for like

1623
01:03:41,190 --> 01:03:38,880
i'm gonna bring you the proof by this

1624
01:03:43,270 --> 01:03:41,200
date they never do that because that

1625
01:03:44,789 --> 01:03:43,280
backs that has backed her

1626
01:03:47,190 --> 01:03:44,799
i think that has backed her into the

1627
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:47,200
corner somewhat here because i mean

1628
01:03:57,430 --> 01:03:54,630
less than 90 days she's got 80 something

1629
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:57,440
days here to deliver the proof of aliens

1630
01:04:00,710 --> 01:03:59,039
in this mountain

1631
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:00,720
well i mean

1632
01:04:06,230 --> 01:04:03,839
that gives her a level of credibility

1633
01:04:07,829 --> 01:04:06,240
her background being what it is

1634
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:07,839
you know some people look at that and

1635
01:04:12,230 --> 01:04:09,599
they go whoa

1636
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:12,240
you know this person's got some serious

1637
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:13,920
credibility

1638
01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:15,760
i'm going to listen to this i'm going to

1639
01:04:20,069 --> 01:04:17,839
pay attention to it

1640
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,079
when you know i i don't know that that's

1641
01:04:24,069 --> 01:04:22,000
the case though because her dia

1642
01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,079
employment seems to have been

1643
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:26,240
she was essentially an administrative

1644
01:04:31,750 --> 01:04:30,000
assistant in the dia for higher-ups

1645
01:04:33,270 --> 01:04:31,760
you know so

1646
01:04:35,029 --> 01:04:33,280
because she was maybe she was typing

1647
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:35,039
letters and things like that but i don't

1648
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:36,559
know that that makes her

1649
01:04:40,390 --> 01:04:38,400
very credible as a source of information

1650
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:40,400
but you're right people here defense

1651
01:04:45,270 --> 01:04:43,520
intelligence agency you work for the dia

1652
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:45,280
and you're talking about aliens this

1653
01:04:48,549 --> 01:04:47,039
must be true right

1654
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:48,559
or the italians

1655
01:04:51,510 --> 01:04:50,079
the government's covering it up and you

1656
01:04:53,829 --> 01:04:51,520
were in the dia and you know the

1657
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:53,839
government's covering it up somehow

1658
01:04:58,230 --> 01:04:56,559
yeah i mean you know not for me so much

1659
01:05:00,069 --> 01:04:58,240
but i mean

1660
01:05:01,589 --> 01:05:00,079
you know certain people in the community

1661
01:05:04,470 --> 01:05:01,599
they'll look at that and they'll go you

1662
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:04,480
know holy [\h__\h] this woman is like really

1663
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:07,359
who she says she is and she worked in

1664
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,240
the government and you know i mean look

1665
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:12,480
at you know some of the other people out

1666
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:13,920
there

1667
01:05:18,390 --> 01:05:15,760
that have come forward that have had

1668
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:18,400
some kind of credibility

1669
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:19,359
you know

1670
01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:21,680
in in another field and they come

1671
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:24,400
forward and that's it that that for some

1672
01:05:28,470 --> 01:05:27,119
people is enough and they see that and

1673
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:28,480
they go

1674
01:05:32,069 --> 01:05:30,000
this person's got to know what they're

1675
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:32,079
talking about look where they came from

1676
01:05:36,150 --> 01:05:33,920
look at their background

1677
01:05:38,230 --> 01:05:36,160
when in fact that really doesn't have

1678
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,240
any bearing on it at all

1679
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,559
i mean this person could still be coming

1680
01:05:45,029 --> 01:05:42,880
forward with [\h__\h] even though they

1681
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:45,039
have a ton of credibility it's

1682
01:05:49,190 --> 01:05:47,440
it's just doesn't you know it doesn't

1683
01:05:50,390 --> 01:05:49,200
have yeah but to me

1684
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:50,400
the fact that

1685
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,720
her background doesn't fall apart under

1686
01:05:57,750 --> 01:05:55,119
scrutiny was interesting to me because

1687
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:57,760
it was it was a rarity and i've seen so

1688
01:06:02,390 --> 01:06:00,319
many people's background just completely

1689
01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:02,400
fall apart specifically usually their

1690
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:04,640
military claims you know there's but

1691
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:06,319
maybe it's just me because i looked into

1692
01:06:10,309 --> 01:06:08,559
way too many wackadoo super soldiers and

1693
01:06:11,750 --> 01:06:10,319
things that claimed they were marines

1694
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,760
and then you find out they were never in

1695
01:06:16,309 --> 01:06:13,440
the marines or claimed they were navy

1696
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:16,319
seals for a secret seal team that

1697
01:06:19,990 --> 01:06:17,680
doesn't exist

1698
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:20,000
because there's a role of everybody

1699
01:06:24,150 --> 01:06:21,920
that's a seal there's a list you can get

1700
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:24,160
of everybody who becomes a seal

1701
01:06:27,829 --> 01:06:26,079
and this guy's not on it and then he

1702
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,839
starts saying oh but that's a secret

1703
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:30,240
seal team so i wouldn't be on the list

1704
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:31,680
right they

1705
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:34,160
whitewashed my records or you know so in

1706
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:35,680
her case i went

1707
01:06:40,230 --> 01:06:37,599
at least she she's telling the truth

1708
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,240
about some parts of her story where i

1709
01:06:44,390 --> 01:06:42,400
part with her and my belief that she's

1710
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:44,400
telling the truth is with the mountain

1711
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:47,119
and the aliens okay your bed and people

1712
01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:48,000
also

1713
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,640
they they attack me for that they people

1714
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,559
are out there saying steve said because

1715
01:06:57,029 --> 01:06:54,240
her background is real we should believe

1716
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:57,039
her no but i'm more inclined to believe

1717
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:58,799
somebody whose background doesn't fall

1718
01:07:02,549 --> 01:07:00,880
apart or give them the benefit of doubt

1719
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:02,559
before i say they're a fraud or their

1720
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,839
story is fake

1721
01:07:07,029 --> 01:07:06,160
right and the other thing is she hasn't

1722
01:07:09,270 --> 01:07:07,039
yet

1723
01:07:12,470 --> 01:07:09,280
gotten to the level that i think this is

1724
01:07:14,390 --> 01:07:12,480
a scam she backpedaled and said no book

1725
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:14,400
no documentary and i don't want to make

1726
01:07:18,069 --> 01:07:17,039
any money that's where she's at now

1727
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:18,079
so

1728
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:20,480
if that changes you know then my opinion

1729
01:07:24,470 --> 01:07:21,680
will change

1730
01:07:26,870 --> 01:07:24,480
she did actually make her book that she

1731
01:07:30,710 --> 01:07:26,880
had for sale the one the novel she wrote

1732
01:07:33,990 --> 01:07:32,309
and she said she

1733
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,000
she said she was going to do that and

1734
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:36,160
she did it which i was i was kind of

1735
01:07:45,349 --> 01:07:43,349
yeah and uh baltimore bosnia is asking

1736
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:45,359
me about a dd214 she told me she was

1737
01:07:49,190 --> 01:07:46,960
going to give it to me apparently she

1738
01:07:50,069 --> 01:07:49,200
gave it to jimmy church but not to me so

1739
01:07:52,069 --> 01:07:50,079
we

1740
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:52,079
looked at other documents that she

1741
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:53,680
provided and then determined that the

1742
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,440
military documents that she provided

1743
01:07:59,190 --> 01:07:56,720
were genuine

1744
01:08:00,950 --> 01:07:59,200
and therefore and then called i made

1745
01:08:03,029 --> 01:08:00,960
several phone calls to verify the

1746
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:03,039
documents she sent me with real and

1747
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,160
military

1748
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:06,480
records and to verify her

1749
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:07,440
uh

1750
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:09,760
enlistment date and i don't know what

1751
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,000
you call that when she got out and that

1752
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:14,160
and those were those dates that she gave

1753
01:08:16,709 --> 01:08:15,039
me

1754
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:16,719
i was told were

1755
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:19,199
accurate so

1756
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:21,040
yeah her discharge

1757
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:23,199
discharge yeah so i verified military

1758
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,520
service in other ways uh i'm going to

1759
01:08:28,950 --> 01:08:27,440
ask her again now that i've just been

1760
01:08:31,510 --> 01:08:28,960
reminded to she offered to give me the

1761
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:31,520
dd214 i'd like to see it and see what

1762
01:08:35,829 --> 01:08:33,520
because the dd214 will shed a whole lot

1763
01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:35,839
more light on what she actually did

1764
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:37,279
where she was stationed what her

1765
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:39,279
responsibilities were at each

1766
01:08:43,749 --> 01:08:41,199
place that she worked in within the

1767
01:08:45,110 --> 01:08:43,759
military industrial complex and things

1768
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:45,120
like that

1769
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:46,080
uh

1770
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:48,000
yeah

1771
01:08:57,269 --> 01:08:54,880
you know done all these things and has

1772
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:57,279
this credibility in the government and

1773
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,600
you know that's all fine and good but i

1774
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,960
mean

1775
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,359
everybody knows and she's admitted it to

1776
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,040
the public that

1777
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:07,359
she's had a lot of health problems over

1778
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:08,880
the last

1779
01:09:12,950 --> 01:09:10,560
few years

1780
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:12,960
and she you know came down with the

1781
01:09:17,430 --> 01:09:15,040
couple of the immunity disorders i

1782
01:09:19,430 --> 01:09:17,440
believe and she was hospitalized a few

1783
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:19,440
times

1784
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:21,679
and you know that i mean that's that's

1785
01:09:26,709 --> 01:09:24,400
that sucks the you know and i don't wish

1786
01:09:27,910 --> 01:09:26,719
that on anybody

1787
01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:27,920
but i mean

1788
01:09:32,309 --> 01:09:30,000
you know is is that

1789
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:32,319
is the stress from all of that like

1790
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:35,199
taking its toll on her mind

1791
01:09:41,189 --> 01:09:38,640
you know is it causing her to kind of

1792
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:41,199
build this fantasy world and live within

1793
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:42,960
it you know i mean yeah it could be

1794
01:09:48,149 --> 01:09:45,199
escapism and you know a delusional

1795
01:09:50,789 --> 01:09:48,159
fantasy is yeah

1796
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,799
exactly exactly

1797
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:52,799
and you and you never know i mean the

1798
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:56,239
human mind it does weird [\h__\h]

1799
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:58,480
especially in the cases of trauma and

1800
01:10:03,669 --> 01:10:00,880
things like that it does things strange

1801
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:03,679
things to protect the psyche right

1802
01:10:10,470 --> 01:10:04,480
yeah

1803
01:10:13,830 --> 01:10:10,480
traumatic happened to her

1804
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:13,840
when she went out to this ranch

1805
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:16,480
or this mountain and she blocked it out

1806
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:19,040
like coming up with this story i mean

1807
01:10:22,870 --> 01:10:21,040
you know i'm not saying that that's what

1808
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,880
happened but

1809
01:10:27,110 --> 01:10:24,880
you know there's other examples of that

1810
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:27,120
all down through society where

1811
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:29,040
people have

1812
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,360
thought one thing happened and then

1813
01:10:37,110 --> 01:10:34,320
realized years later that they built up

1814
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:37,120
this fake scenario around it to block it

1815
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:38,960
out so they didn't have to think about

1816
01:10:43,030 --> 01:10:41,440
it you know

1817
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:43,040
yeah

1818
01:10:49,110 --> 01:10:47,600
this whole situation is where people are

1819
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:49,120
saying well i know where the mountain is

1820
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:50,719
so i can crash the party but it's

1821
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:52,000
private

1822
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:53,760
uh

1823
01:10:57,590 --> 01:10:55,760
it's private property i can't just walk

1824
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:57,600
onto somebody's private property

1825
01:11:01,590 --> 01:11:00,080
uninvited that would be a crime and i

1826
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:01,600
have children and

1827
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:03,600
uh

1828
01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:06,159
yes walter st louis yeah i mean i look

1829
01:11:09,510 --> 01:11:08,480
at it this way if if it was my private

1830
01:11:11,910 --> 01:11:09,520
property

1831
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:11,920
i don't want people walking into my yard

1832
01:11:15,830 --> 01:11:13,920
or i live yeah and i mean this guy has a

1833
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:15,840
100 acre compound though with the

1834
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:18,719
mountain and back of a mansion

1835
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:21,199
and and that's another thing she she did

1836
01:11:25,590 --> 01:11:23,440
kind of i think she had a little bit of

1837
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:25,600
a freak out when she realized that i did

1838
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:27,760
know the exact location of the mountain

1839
01:11:31,990 --> 01:11:30,320
and i did know her friend wayne and she

1840
01:11:34,550 --> 01:11:32,000
started tweeting stuff like there's

1841
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,560
armed guards and there's perimeter of

1842
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,560
fencing and there's there's all this

1843
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,040
security and you can't walk on there and

1844
01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:41,040
uh people will be prosecuted if they

1845
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:42,000
could she

1846
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:44,159
she thought i was gonna dox him and and

1847
01:11:47,510 --> 01:11:45,840
just put it on the internet where this

1848
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,520
mountain was and she had a little bit of

1849
01:11:51,110 --> 01:11:49,120
a freak out and then she sort of calmed

1850
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:51,120
down when i told her

1851
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,040
okay just like let's talk about this

1852
01:12:00,149 --> 01:11:58,320
i'm not gonna release it if you know

1853
01:12:01,750 --> 01:12:00,159
so we can make this

1854
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:01,760
we make this deal for those that don't

1855
01:12:05,910 --> 01:12:02,880
know

1856
01:12:07,910 --> 01:12:05,920
i said uh okay i'm not gonna release the

1857
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:07,920
location of the mountain or the name and

1858
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:11,520
address and phone number of your friend

1859
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:13,199
but you know uh

1860
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:16,159
until you do your expedition in december

1861
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:17,040
right

1862
01:12:25,669 --> 01:12:23,520
materials the research materials to

1863
01:12:27,510 --> 01:12:25,679
erica luke's and you well i gave it to

1864
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,520
erica luke's i'm not sure she probably

1865
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,040
shared i assumed that she was sharing it

1866
01:12:32,790 --> 01:12:31,360
with you i have not seen it

1867
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:32,800
okay well

1868
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,520
anyway so that all the research material

1869
01:12:39,830 --> 01:12:36,960
that shows the satellite maps of the

1870
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,840
mountain and the you know all the

1871
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:41,280
the stuff about this guy his

1872
01:12:46,470 --> 01:12:43,920
construction companies and his past uh

1873
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,480
projects he's a real estate developer

1874
01:12:49,189 --> 01:12:47,840
and builder and you know like he'll

1875
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:49,199
build a whole

1876
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:50,159
i don't know here we have something

1877
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:52,080
called toll brothers and they buy like

1878
01:12:56,070 --> 01:12:54,080
corn fields and then they turn them into

1879
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:56,080
suburban houses that are half a million

1880
01:13:00,470 --> 01:12:58,080
dollars a piece they'll build a whole

1881
01:13:02,390 --> 01:13:00,480
neighborhood at once you know

1882
01:13:04,390 --> 01:13:02,400
that's what this guy does he builds huge

1883
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,400
developments of houses so he's super

1884
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:06,719
rich he's got a mansion and he's got a

1885
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:09,280
mountain behind his mansion with uh

1886
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:10,480
nature

1887
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:11,679
like uh

1888
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,000
hiking trails go back from the back of

1889
01:13:19,669 --> 01:13:16,640
his mansion to the mountain

1890
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,679
right you know and he

1891
01:13:24,630 --> 01:13:21,840
now i'm under the impression that this

1892
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,640
guy is not like all on the same page

1893
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,400
with her

1894
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,480
i i just keep getting that impression

1895
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:30,719
from different things and

1896
01:13:36,950 --> 01:13:33,920
that that he's kind of like

1897
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:36,960
was somewhat in the dark about what she

1898
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:40,159
was putting together online

1899
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:41,679
you know so

1900
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:44,239
i don't know if that's true or not

1901
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:47,040
it seems to be but

1902
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,880
yeah and out of mind is mentioning that

1903
01:13:52,310 --> 01:13:50,400
other people have found the location

1904
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:52,320
apparently it was super easy and i just

1905
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,520
want to say

1906
01:13:57,910 --> 01:13:55,440
um that i don't believe that that's true

1907
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,920
and i think that most got it wrong

1908
01:14:02,070 --> 01:13:59,600
and people are passing around about 10

1909
01:14:04,229 --> 01:14:02,080
different locations and i

1910
01:14:06,630 --> 01:14:04,239
look if somebody sends me one and says

1911
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,640
is this it i i'll tell them the truth if

1912
01:14:09,669 --> 01:14:08,000
it is because they found it

1913
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,679
independently i'm not going to lie to

1914
01:14:13,590 --> 01:14:11,760
them but so far

1915
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,600
i've been sent like 20 things people are

1916
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:15,600
sending me satellite maps and gps

1917
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,120
coordinates and i just check them

1918
01:14:21,189 --> 01:14:19,040
against what i have and say that's not

1919
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,199
it that's not it and then people are

1920
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,280
like give me a hint drop a carrot do

1921
01:14:28,470 --> 01:14:25,520
something you know i'm here looking

1922
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:28,480
yeah so i but if somebody else finds it

1923
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:31,040
i think if if me and charlie wiser and

1924
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,159
others have failed it then somebody else

1925
01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:36,719
will will do so as well it's just

1926
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:40,840
we got it it was luck it was pure luck

1927
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:44,080
right well it was first failing a

1928
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:45,920
hundred different ways and then it was

1929
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,040
pure luck

1930
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:49,760
yeah i mean i i wouldn't attribute it

1931
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:53,360
all to luck because i've i've seen you

1932
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,800
do your due diligence with others yeah i

1933
01:15:00,630 --> 01:14:58,480
like to really go deep and make sure

1934
01:15:02,550 --> 01:15:00,640
that nobody can argue with me later but

1935
01:15:04,470 --> 01:15:02,560
that people still do you know so i like

1936
01:15:06,870 --> 01:15:04,480
to get resources to tell me the same

1937
01:15:08,149 --> 01:15:06,880
thing to make the argument that this

1938
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:08,159
this is true because we have three on

1939
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:09,840
the record good sources you could verify

1940
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,960
the sources

1941
01:15:14,790 --> 01:15:13,199
and i'm also really big on and this is

1942
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:14,800
something that stan friedman taught me

1943
01:15:17,750 --> 01:15:15,840
actually

1944
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,760
i had early conversations with him when

1945
01:15:21,110 --> 01:15:19,600
i first started my audio podcast and i

1946
01:15:23,750 --> 01:15:21,120
told him that i wanted to be sort of a

1947
01:15:25,270 --> 01:15:23,760
researcher investigator but i don't know

1948
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,280
what i'm doing

1949
01:15:29,750 --> 01:15:27,280
you know and so one of the things that

1950
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:29,760
he taught me is to save all your sources

1951
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:32,239
write everything down make notes and the

1952
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:34,239
most important thing about the research

1953
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,840
that you show people and the stories

1954
01:15:40,790 --> 01:15:37,520
that you present based on that research

1955
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:40,800
is that you have to be able to

1956
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,199
another researcher has to be able to go

1957
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:44,880
right after you

1958
01:15:49,510 --> 01:15:47,040
go to your sources and get the same

1959
01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:49,520
story more or less you know

1960
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:51,280
so that's a good researcher because

1961
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:53,280
here's all the sources here's where i

1962
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:55,199
got this information you too can go and

1963
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,800
ask them the same questions and you'll

1964
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:58,880
probably get the same answers

1965
01:16:02,950 --> 01:16:00,719
so i'm real big on collecting those

1966
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:02,960
sources and keeping them for other and i

1967
01:16:08,149 --> 01:16:05,120
have for those that don't know i share

1968
01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:08,159
anything that i have usually you know

1969
01:16:11,830 --> 01:16:10,080
unless it's a story in progress that i'm

1970
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,840
not yet finished or a story that i'm

1971
01:16:15,350 --> 01:16:13,520
still but once i'm done with the story

1972
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:15,360
and i present my stuff if somebody says

1973
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:16,239
hey

1974
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:18,320
who whose phone number did you call or

1975
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:20,800
what here you go i'll give you my notes

1976
01:16:24,390 --> 01:16:22,159
you know

1977
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:24,400
yeah it's the same way with me i i've

1978
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:25,840
been

1979
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:27,440
you know i've had different other

1980
01:16:31,030 --> 01:16:30,320
researchers share things with me and you

1981
01:16:33,350 --> 01:16:31,040
know

1982
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:33,360
if i give them my word that it's not

1983
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:34,960
going to be shared with the public i

1984
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:36,800
won't go back on my word

1985
01:16:39,110 --> 01:16:37,760
um

1986
01:16:40,950 --> 01:16:39,120
yeah me too because you've got to

1987
01:16:43,030 --> 01:16:40,960
protect the source if they they're not

1988
01:16:46,070 --> 01:16:43,040
going to help you again you know and the

1989
01:16:48,950 --> 01:16:46,080
stuff with the the ryan gordon you know

1990
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,960
whole travis in case

1991
01:16:52,310 --> 01:16:50,400
you know some of the stuff that he

1992
01:16:54,550 --> 01:16:52,320
shared with us which is the stuff he

1993
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:54,560
can't share with the public

1994
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:58,560
you know is i he he's been good to us he

1995
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:59,440
he

1996
01:17:04,229 --> 01:17:00,480
you know

1997
01:17:07,350 --> 01:17:04,239
for instance just two weeks ago

1998
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:07,360
he's down in dulce new mexico

1999
01:17:11,910 --> 01:17:09,280
checking out

2000
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:11,920
the archuleta mesa which is where they

2001
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:14,000
claim that this base is

2002
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:17,360
yes and so he took a ton of you know

2003
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:20,560
drone footage photographs

2004
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:22,880
and um you know i mean he was supposed

2005
01:17:26,870 --> 01:17:24,800
to send me those and i think he said he

2006
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:26,880
did send me that and i never got it so i

2007
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:28,800
have to i have to text him i haven't

2008
01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:31,199
talked to him and and get him he sent it

2009
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:34,480
all to me so i mean if he if he he

2010
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:36,000
texted me that he was sending me that

2011
01:17:40,709 --> 01:17:38,320
but i guess i don't know

2012
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:40,719
it's it's absolutely stunning the

2013
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:42,800
countryside out there he's

2014
01:17:47,669 --> 01:17:44,960
he took the drone up and he flew all

2015
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:47,679
around the mesa and oh it's amazing it's

2016
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:48,800
amazing

2017
01:17:52,950 --> 01:17:51,280
yeah he's inspired me to i can't afford

2018
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:52,960
his kind of budget but he has inspired

2019
01:17:57,030 --> 01:17:55,199
me to get a cheap drone with a camera so

2020
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:57,040
that i can try some of that stuff yeah

2021
01:18:00,709 --> 01:17:59,280
yeah i figured i'd start small with a

2022
01:18:02,390 --> 01:18:00,719
cheap one and see if it's something i

2023
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:02,400
really want to invest a lot of money in

2024
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:04,159
because those things get the ones he's

2025
01:18:08,229 --> 01:18:05,440
got are like

2026
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,239
crazy hollywood quality expensive too

2027
01:18:13,990 --> 01:18:10,320
yeah he's got really good ones

2028
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:14,000
beautiful hd footage it is incredible

2029
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,120
you know

2030
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:17,280
he sent me all the footage that he took

2031
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:18,560
over

2032
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,440
uh the sit greaves forest where the fire

2033
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:23,520
tower is and he flies right over the top

2034
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,440
of the fire tower during the day and

2035
01:18:30,070 --> 01:18:27,840
it's absolutely beautiful

2036
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,080
beautiful yeah yeah i was going to try

2037
01:18:32,950 --> 01:18:31,840
to take that footage and do a simulation

2038
01:18:34,390 --> 01:18:32,960
of what that thing would look like at

2039
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:34,400
night but i haven't gotten to it and i

2040
01:18:39,270 --> 01:18:36,239
didn't know i just clipped stuff from

2041
01:18:41,030 --> 01:18:39,280
your original show where he showed that

2042
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:41,040
footage flying at the thing you know but

2043
01:18:44,550 --> 01:18:43,040
then i had a hard time getting the night

2044
01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:44,560
simulation to work i thought it was

2045
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:46,239
going to be easy but it wasn't you know

2046
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,600
yeah he um

2047
01:18:51,350 --> 01:18:49,360
so far the best thing we have is that

2048
01:18:53,910 --> 01:18:51,360
that jp you know the image that you did

2049
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:53,920
of the tower lit up with the beam beans

2050
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:56,400
oh that was that was actually a frame

2051
01:19:00,870 --> 01:18:59,040
taken from the daytime footage

2052
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:00,880
and we pulled it out

2053
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:03,600
and then i repainted everything over in

2054
01:19:08,950 --> 01:19:06,480
photoshop and i simulated everything to

2055
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:08,960
what it would look like at night

2056
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:11,520
and um you know it's he wanted me to do

2057
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:13,679
it you know just to have an example so

2058
01:19:18,070 --> 01:19:15,840
people could see what it looked like we

2059
01:19:19,750 --> 01:19:18,080
weren't trying to say you know

2060
01:19:20,709 --> 01:19:19,760
this is what the tower looks like at

2061
01:19:23,750 --> 01:19:20,719
night

2062
01:19:26,790 --> 01:19:23,760
it's a total simulation but

2063
01:19:30,470 --> 01:19:26,800
using real lights you know the dimming

2064
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:30,480
down of the colors all of that stuff so

2065
01:19:34,310 --> 01:19:32,080
um

2066
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,320
yeah the old fox says i went to the site

2067
01:19:39,750 --> 01:19:37,199
when it happened sad

2068
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:39,760
yeah yeah

2069
01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:41,199
yeah so

2070
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:44,640
you know i mean if if he um

2071
01:19:48,470 --> 01:19:46,640
he's getting ready to put together some

2072
01:19:50,229 --> 01:19:48,480
other stuff that he's working on right

2073
01:19:53,430 --> 01:19:50,239
now i don't know when the last time is

2074
01:19:56,390 --> 01:19:53,440
you spoke to him but um

2075
01:19:58,070 --> 01:19:56,400
he's a smart guy let me tell you what if

2076
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:58,080
if oh no i agree with you i've spoken to

2077
01:20:01,590 --> 01:19:59,520
him at length about a bunch of different

2078
01:20:03,510 --> 01:20:01,600
stuff yeah he's he's just and when it

2079
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:03,520
comes to research

2080
01:20:07,030 --> 01:20:04,719
he's

2081
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:07,040
that guy will not stop digging you know

2082
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,360
he is just yeah i gotta admire and

2083
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:11,760
respect that for sure yeah just

2084
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,480
incredible uh some of the stuff like i

2085
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:16,320
kept throwing things at him when he

2086
01:20:21,510 --> 01:20:18,400
first came to us i'd say well what about

2087
01:20:23,669 --> 01:20:21,520
this well what about this and then

2088
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:23,679
he had something for it and it wasn't

2089
01:20:26,149 --> 01:20:24,480
just

2090
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:26,159
his opinion

2091
01:20:32,310 --> 01:20:28,960
it was based on documents

2092
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:32,320
you know testimony just in it and it's

2093
01:20:37,510 --> 01:20:35,120
he knew the case inside and out

2094
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:37,520
and and it just blew me away

2095
01:20:40,790 --> 01:20:38,960
you know

2096
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:40,800
yeah he looked like that's the

2097
01:20:44,310 --> 01:20:42,480
impression that i got like boy this guy

2098
01:20:46,390 --> 01:20:44,320
really did his homework because he it's

2099
01:20:48,550 --> 01:20:46,400
the same thing like you said he's got

2100
01:20:51,590 --> 01:20:48,560
original newspaper articles from when

2101
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:51,600
the event happened up to now you know

2102
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:53,679
he's collected it all

2103
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,120
and sort of digested and and really

2104
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:59,520
really dug into all of it

2105
01:21:01,430 --> 01:21:00,480
right

2106
01:21:07,590 --> 01:21:01,440
yeah

2107
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:07,600
never seen before some of the things i

2108
01:21:13,510 --> 01:21:10,560
kind of knew about but other things he

2109
01:21:16,629 --> 01:21:13,520
he threw it out there and i i i read it

2110
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:16,639
all i mean we spent over a week

2111
01:21:21,350 --> 01:21:18,560
reading all the paperwork all the

2112
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:21,360
documents watching a hundred different

2113
01:21:25,830 --> 01:21:23,840
interviews

2114
01:21:27,430 --> 01:21:25,840
you know and uh

2115
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,440
the guy is asking who actually

2116
01:21:31,669 --> 01:21:30,080
discovered aunt ajali i don't think

2117
01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:31,679
anybody discovered her she just kind of

2118
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:33,199
came out of nowhere

2119
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:35,600
yeah so

2120
01:21:38,390 --> 01:21:36,239
and

2121
01:21:40,070 --> 01:21:38,400
don't get me wrong i'm i'm not i'm not

2122
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:40,080
positive don't quote me on this i

2123
01:21:44,790 --> 01:21:42,960
believe she started on reddit

2124
01:21:46,790 --> 01:21:44,800
you're right i think you're right yeah

2125
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:46,800
and then from there

2126
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:49,679
um i think one of the first articles

2127
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,080
that was written about her

2128
01:21:57,350 --> 01:21:54,719
was george knapp on mystery wire

2129
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:57,360
yeah and that i you know that was like a

2130
01:22:00,470 --> 01:21:59,040
pretty quick

2131
01:22:02,390 --> 01:22:00,480
article he didn't

2132
01:22:03,270 --> 01:22:02,400
really dig deep into her story he just

2133
01:22:05,830 --> 01:22:03,280
kind of

2134
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:05,840
he gave like the the the crib notes you

2135
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:08,000
know this former dia former military

2136
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:10,000
woman former dia employee said there's

2137
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:11,280
aliens in the mountain and she's going

2138
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:13,520
to take a team of scientists there that

2139
01:22:17,590 --> 01:22:16,480
was the story and that sort of

2140
01:22:20,390 --> 01:22:17,600
got her

2141
01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:20,400
into ufo twitter and all the people that

2142
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:22,480
talk about ufos on different social

2143
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:24,639
media sites everybody started talking

2144
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:26,800
about her suddenly she's uh

2145
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:29,040
she's a big deal

2146
01:22:32,950 --> 01:22:30,480
i don't see

2147
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:32,960
how this story has a happy ending for

2148
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:33,840
her

2149
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:39,760
in person a bunch of times and doing

2150
01:22:42,950 --> 01:22:40,880
that interview

2151
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:42,960
it sort of humanized her for me and i

2152
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,159
honestly

2153
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:46,880
am concerned for her

2154
01:22:50,870 --> 01:22:49,199
whatever

2155
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:50,880
i'm concerned for her as a human being

2156
01:22:54,709 --> 01:22:53,120
because i don't think this story is

2157
01:22:56,709 --> 01:22:54,719
going to end well for her

2158
01:22:58,550 --> 01:22:56,719
and uh you know i even asked her in the

2159
01:23:01,110 --> 01:22:58,560
interview like what what how are you

2160
01:23:02,390 --> 01:23:01,120
going to feel if this you know she said

2161
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:02,400
something about she'd have to go to a

2162
01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,480
guru or something or

2163
01:23:08,310 --> 01:23:06,560
yeah it's going to be bad for it's going

2164
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,320
to be humiliating

2165
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:11,040
when there's no aliens you know

2166
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:12,719
there's always going to be that core

2167
01:23:16,950 --> 01:23:14,400
group of people that are going to you

2168
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:16,960
know go along with whatever she says i

2169
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:19,440
mean that's just the way it is it always

2170
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:21,360
has been that way

2171
01:23:24,870 --> 01:23:22,400
um

2172
01:23:26,629 --> 01:23:24,880
you know i i mean i like her in general

2173
01:23:29,350 --> 01:23:26,639
you know i don't have anything against

2174
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:29,360
her you know it's just that

2175
01:23:33,910 --> 01:23:31,440
i i discussed this with my research

2176
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:33,920
partner too and i used you as an example

2177
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:36,080
and i said stephen

2178
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:38,800
had the same reaction that i had when

2179
01:23:42,310 --> 01:23:40,400
she came around

2180
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:42,320
yeah i was like this is fake this is so

2181
01:23:45,750 --> 01:23:44,800
fake she's fake story's favorite friends

2182
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:45,760
are fake

2183
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,440
because we

2184
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:49,679
have been conditioned

2185
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,080
by all of the charlatans that came

2186
01:23:55,110 --> 01:23:54,000
before her

2187
01:23:57,910 --> 01:23:55,120
and so

2188
01:23:59,910 --> 01:23:57,920
it automatically gives you this oh

2189
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,920
christ here comes another one you know

2190
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:02,000
what i mean

2191
01:24:06,870 --> 01:24:04,320
and for me it's it's i mean we've been

2192
01:24:08,229 --> 01:24:06,880
through this a thousand times it's not

2193
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,239
anything new

2194
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:11,280
it's but my reaction was a little bit

2195
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:12,159
harsh

2196
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:13,679
you know i could have been a little bit

2197
01:24:19,430 --> 01:24:16,560
softer with my reaction but i just kind

2198
01:24:20,950 --> 01:24:19,440
of got irritated you know because i'm so

2199
01:24:23,270 --> 01:24:20,960
used to it

2200
01:24:24,950 --> 01:24:23,280
yeah i i remember you and i were both on

2201
01:24:26,950 --> 01:24:24,960
twitter like this is we would like

2202
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:26,960
screenshot something she said and like

2203
01:24:31,830 --> 01:24:28,719
this is ridiculous

2204
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:31,840
alien lady with an alien mountain

2205
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:34,000
yeah i was i was just doesn't this say

2206
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:36,239
something about the hunger that people

2207
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:38,719
are so hungry for news stories that she

2208
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:41,920
was able to like catch fire like this

2209
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,400
and become so big such a big deal and a

2210
01:24:49,669 --> 01:24:46,560
big story it's because there's nothing

2211
01:24:51,669 --> 01:24:49,679
else going on you know it was a huge

2212
01:24:53,510 --> 01:24:51,679
section of downtime and she just

2213
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:53,520
happened to come in right at the right

2214
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:56,480
moment there wasn't anything going on

2215
01:25:01,270 --> 01:24:59,440
and all of a sudden boom she's got 6 000

2216
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:01,280
followers on twitter

2217
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:03,840
you know and she's all over doing these

2218
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:06,400
different podcasts and i'm like i think

2219
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:08,320
she even did

2220
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:11,120
either one or two conferences i saw her

2221
01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:13,199
picture on one

2222
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:16,320
above a bunch of other speakers

2223
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:18,000
not somebody's i don't mind it's called

2224
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:19,600
a softies i don't know what that i don't

2225
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:21,360
know what she means what do you mean

2226
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:23,679
come on now

2227
01:25:27,830 --> 01:25:26,400
softie we were both very mean and nasty

2228
01:25:28,870 --> 01:25:27,840
to her at first

2229
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:28,880
you know

2230
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:31,440
as humans we gotta you gotta we gotta

2231
01:25:36,629 --> 01:25:34,400
evolve past that and go well

2232
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:36,639
yeah gotta do it

2233
01:25:39,910 --> 01:25:37,760
yeah

2234
01:25:42,310 --> 01:25:39,920
and i mean i've evolved in my thinking

2235
01:25:44,149 --> 01:25:42,320
about it to the point where i i feel

2236
01:25:45,750 --> 01:25:44,159
honestly a lot of empathy towards her

2237
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:45,760
and i'm worried that she's going to have

2238
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:47,199
like some kind of

2239
01:25:51,270 --> 01:25:48,639
you know

2240
01:25:53,350 --> 01:25:51,280
big emotional problems or just

2241
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:53,360
after the humiliation of this doesn't go

2242
01:25:58,390 --> 01:25:55,840
well for her you know but

2243
01:26:00,790 --> 01:25:58,400
yeah she put herself in this position

2244
01:26:03,110 --> 01:26:00,800
and she is adamantly convinced that

2245
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:03,120
these are this whole thing is real

2246
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:04,159
you know

2247
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:06,239
yeah it's it's

2248
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:08,000
you know i will i'm not gonna say i'm

2249
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:09,920
not concerned for her either and you

2250
01:26:13,270 --> 01:26:10,639
know

2251
01:26:15,189 --> 01:26:13,280
you can call it a softie if you want but

2252
01:26:18,149 --> 01:26:15,199
i mean she's a human being you know i

2253
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,159
mean and she

2254
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:20,800
she probably believes that this is

2255
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:24,320
really what she's experiencing and

2256
01:26:29,189 --> 01:26:26,719
i can't say for sure that she didn't

2257
01:26:30,310 --> 01:26:29,199
experience something out there no that's

2258
01:26:32,629 --> 01:26:30,320
what i thought i think she had an

2259
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,639
experience but whether it was physical

2260
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:35,280
aliens in a in a physical alien mountain

2261
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:38,080
base or it was a dmt trip

2262
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,840
or a psychotic break or i've even read

2263
01:26:46,950 --> 01:26:43,679
scott that you can

2264
01:26:49,270 --> 01:26:46,960
under weird conditions you can have a

2265
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,280
simultaneous release of dmt that's

2266
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:51,040
powerful enough to create hallucinations

2267
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:52,880
it happens in heart attacks did you know

2268
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:53,760
that

2269
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,159
small dmt trip

2270
01:27:01,990 --> 01:27:00,880
it's like a defense mechanism the body

2271
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:02,000
jumps

2272
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:04,480
shoots that into the bloodstream or the

2273
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,520
brain

2274
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:08,000
to protect you from the trauma i suppose

2275
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:09,440
or something they don't really

2276
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:11,280
understand why it happens but i know in

2277
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:13,440
cases of heart attacks people have this

2278
01:27:17,270 --> 01:27:16,159
simultaneous flood of dmt in their

2279
01:27:20,629 --> 01:27:17,280
system

2280
01:27:21,669 --> 01:27:20,639
so is dmt like a natural compound in the

2281
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:21,679
body

2282
01:27:25,910 --> 01:27:24,480
yes and dmt is also in very very high

2283
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:25,920
concentrations

2284
01:27:30,870 --> 01:27:28,159
during near-death experiences it's like

2285
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,880
the body releases this chemical

2286
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:33,040
that causes a lot of people thinks it

2287
01:27:37,030 --> 01:27:35,199
causes the near-death experience people

2288
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:37,040
see the tunnel and

2289
01:27:43,990 --> 01:27:40,400
experience other beings welcoming them

2290
01:27:47,110 --> 01:27:44,000
it's called the spirit molecule by some

2291
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:47,120
yes although i have heard that

2292
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:49,440
yeah i heard that term before you know

2293
01:27:53,669 --> 01:27:51,679
lincoln liar says dmt i'll wager that's

2294
01:27:55,270 --> 01:27:53,679
my cl that's my best

2295
01:27:57,510 --> 01:27:55,280
theory on this

2296
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,520
this woman audrey and what really

2297
01:28:01,590 --> 01:27:59,520
happened to her but again this is my

2298
01:28:02,870 --> 01:28:01,600
speculation and my

2299
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:02,880
opinion

2300
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:04,960
but having uh

2301
01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,760
you know experienced dmt myself i

2302
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,679
remember when i first heard her story

2303
01:28:13,350 --> 01:28:11,040
the first thing i thought was that's a

2304
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:13,360
dmt trip she saw a purple being that's a

2305
01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,679
dmt trip i've done that

2306
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:18,400
i seen a purple being scott brown

2307
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:22,080
but in my case i swear i did not

2308
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:25,679
i did not perceive it as alien or angel

2309
01:28:29,110 --> 01:28:27,120
or demon

2310
01:28:31,830 --> 01:28:29,120
i perceived it as like an

2311
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:31,840
interdimensional being that was somehow

2312
01:28:35,830 --> 01:28:34,159
like the veils of reality got pulled

2313
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:35,840
back and there was an extra dimension

2314
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:37,840
there that i'd never seen before

2315
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,840
and this being and all the beings in

2316
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:42,080
there i'm somehow i'm able to see and

2317
01:28:46,070 --> 01:28:44,000
talk to them and experience them then

2318
01:28:48,950 --> 01:28:46,080
when i can't normally because the veils

2319
01:28:50,709 --> 01:28:48,960
of perception prevented or some to me

2320
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:50,719
that it was an interdimensional being

2321
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:53,280
and that and the doorway between

2322
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:55,040
dimensions interesting she mentions

2323
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:57,040
doorway tunnel

2324
01:29:01,830 --> 01:29:00,560
was very open because that dmt opened

2325
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:01,840
them for me

2326
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,480
so i to me was interdimensional beings

2327
01:29:07,910 --> 01:29:06,400
that i was experiencing just beings from

2328
01:29:09,750 --> 01:29:07,920
another dimension

2329
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:09,760
but i also remember feeling that they

2330
01:29:12,870 --> 01:29:10,800
were

2331
01:29:14,950 --> 01:29:12,880
hundreds of times more intelligent and

2332
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:14,960
advanced than humans were i don't know

2333
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:16,880
why i thought that but i know that was a

2334
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:18,639
very strong perception

2335
01:29:22,790 --> 01:29:20,800
and and it's so similar to her story

2336
01:29:25,030 --> 01:29:22,800
these are higher beings they're here to

2337
01:29:27,030 --> 01:29:25,040
help us and i got that impression too i

2338
01:29:30,550 --> 01:29:27,040
was not afraid of them well a little

2339
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:30,560
afraid at first but to me it was

2340
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:33,199
it was a strange sort of uh

2341
01:29:37,669 --> 01:29:35,120
you know like uh

2342
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:37,679
transcendent experience i like to

2343
01:29:41,910 --> 01:29:40,080
transcend it between dimensions and got

2344
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:41,920
to meet these higher beings from other

2345
01:29:46,550 --> 01:29:44,880
dimensions that you don't normally

2346
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:46,560
have an awareness of

2347
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:48,719
and it's so like i said when i read her

2348
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:51,120
story i went this is so similar to what

2349
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,360
i experienced it's a dmt trip and i did

2350
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:55,120
i had the same sort of

2351
01:29:58,550 --> 01:29:56,639
there was a purple being and then there

2352
01:30:01,830 --> 01:29:58,560
were some other beings that were

2353
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:01,840
different from the purple being and and

2354
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:03,760
it could very easily i could have

2355
01:30:07,430 --> 01:30:05,520
interpreted that as this is one kind of

2356
01:30:09,270 --> 01:30:07,440
alien this is a different kind of alien

2357
01:30:10,229 --> 01:30:09,280
she said she met four or five aliens i

2358
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:10,239
don't know

2359
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:12,880
you know right right well you know i

2360
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:13,679
mean

2361
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:16,480
what are the chances

2362
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:17,920
that

2363
01:30:22,870 --> 01:30:20,000
because of what's going on with her

2364
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:22,880
health and her body

2365
01:30:29,350 --> 01:30:25,920
that maybe her bot her body just had

2366
01:30:30,629 --> 01:30:29,360
this release at that moment

2367
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:30,639
and she

2368
01:30:33,830 --> 01:30:31,920
you know

2369
01:30:35,189 --> 01:30:33,840
had some kind of trip and the next thing

2370
01:30:37,110 --> 01:30:35,199
you know she was

2371
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:37,120
becoming conscious again in wayne's

2372
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:38,639
living room because they brought her

2373
01:30:41,750 --> 01:30:39,520
back

2374
01:30:43,750 --> 01:30:41,760
i mean

2375
01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:43,760
is it possible yeah i guess it's

2376
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:46,320
possible um

2377
01:30:51,350 --> 01:30:49,280
it's it's more than possible yeah i mean

2378
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:51,360
you know especially with the

2379
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:53,920
the the syndrome that she says she has

2380
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:56,480
and i looked into that somewhat and that

2381
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:59,280
i forgot the exact name for it it's g

2382
01:31:02,950 --> 01:31:00,840
something

2383
01:31:05,110 --> 01:31:02,960
syndrome uh

2384
01:31:07,669 --> 01:31:05,120
she mentioned it a couple times but it

2385
01:31:09,990 --> 01:31:07,679
it can be devastating i mean it's yeah

2386
01:31:12,629 --> 01:31:10,000
yeah absolutely it's physically very

2387
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:12,639
physically debilitating from what i read

2388
01:31:15,910 --> 01:31:13,760
you know

2389
01:31:17,910 --> 01:31:15,920
and the other the other portion of my

2390
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:17,920
dmt experience that appeared to me to be

2391
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:20,560
very very similar is at the end of it

2392
01:31:25,189 --> 01:31:22,880
i had the sensation of teleporting out

2393
01:31:26,790 --> 01:31:25,199
of whatever this space was that i was in

2394
01:31:27,990 --> 01:31:26,800
where i'm communing with these other

2395
01:31:30,629 --> 01:31:28,000
worldly

2396
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:30,639
interdimensional beings wow and i i had

2397
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:32,880
the sense of like being pulled right out

2398
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:35,199
of that back to reality you know what i

2399
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:37,600
mean like like she says she felt like

2400
01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:40,239
she was teleported from the alien base

2401
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:42,560
back to reality i had this perception

2402
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:45,360
and many people do it's almost like you

2403
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:47,440
just feel like you got pulled right back

2404
01:31:51,669 --> 01:31:49,360
into reality and

2405
01:31:54,310 --> 01:31:51,679
the trip part of it doesn't end but it's

2406
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:54,320
like the doors closed on that

2407
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:57,120
gateway whatever the doors

2408
01:32:02,470 --> 01:32:00,000
that were open to that dimension or that

2409
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:02,480
wherever you're experiencing this

2410
01:32:07,030 --> 01:32:04,320
it's all perceptions and mind games and

2411
01:32:08,870 --> 01:32:07,040
i you know i i don't know but i had that

2412
01:32:10,629 --> 01:32:08,880
sensation of being just like ripped

2413
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,639
pulled right back in and then i was back

2414
01:32:15,270 --> 01:32:12,960
in my room you know

2415
01:32:17,030 --> 01:32:15,280
where the experience started

2416
01:32:19,270 --> 01:32:17,040
but for a great deal of the experience

2417
01:32:20,709 --> 01:32:19,280
oh and then when i was in the room

2418
01:32:22,470 --> 01:32:20,719
i felt like i got pulled into that

2419
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:22,480
dimension when the experience started

2420
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:24,480
and then towards the end of it pulled

2421
01:32:29,270 --> 01:32:27,120
back into the room the normal room right

2422
01:32:32,790 --> 01:32:29,280
now and this is very similar to what she

2423
01:32:34,629 --> 01:32:32,800
describes so i just kept i've come back

2424
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:34,639
to this time and time again with what i

2425
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:36,239
believe happened to her

2426
01:32:40,149 --> 01:32:38,080
you know

2427
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:40,159
yes and lincoln liar says you may need a

2428
01:32:43,750 --> 01:32:42,480
pint of ayahuasca on this expedition for

2429
01:32:45,750 --> 01:32:43,760
those who don't know ayahuasca is

2430
01:32:47,189 --> 01:32:45,760
another very powerful hallucinogen where

2431
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:47,199
you're going to see some aliens if you

2432
01:32:50,790 --> 01:32:49,120
drink high if you drink it

2433
01:32:52,709 --> 01:32:50,800
absolutely but it's interesting

2434
01:32:54,790 --> 01:32:52,719
ayahuasca has a lot of a lot of

2435
01:32:55,990 --> 01:32:54,800
potential a lot

2436
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:56,000
have a friend that had terrible

2437
01:33:00,550 --> 01:32:57,920
addiction problems he went to south

2438
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:00,560
america and did ayahuasca he'd been in

2439
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:02,320
and out of drug rehabs for 20 years

2440
01:33:05,830 --> 01:33:04,239
nothing worked for him he did ayahuasca

2441
01:33:08,790 --> 01:33:05,840
once

2442
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:08,800
and uh never never

2443
01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:11,600
did drugs or alcohol again ever

2444
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:14,480
i have read a lot about that

2445
01:33:18,629 --> 01:33:15,600
yeah

2446
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:18,639
and i apparently

2447
01:33:24,149 --> 01:33:21,120
there's some in the medical profession

2448
01:33:29,189 --> 01:33:24,159
that uh you know swear by it by treating

2449
01:33:30,470 --> 01:33:29,199
addiction with this this drug you know

2450
01:33:32,470 --> 01:33:30,480
well apparently

2451
01:33:33,910 --> 01:33:32,480
part of that ayahuasca experience is

2452
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:33,920
that

2453
01:33:37,189 --> 01:33:35,760
the spirits or whoever you're

2454
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:37,199
interacting with while you're having

2455
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:40,080
this experience show you

2456
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:42,159
sort of like everything that

2457
01:33:46,070 --> 01:33:44,080
all the people that you're hurting with

2458
01:33:48,070 --> 01:33:46,080
your addiction or with your selfish

2459
01:33:50,229 --> 01:33:48,080
behavior and you come back much more

2460
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:50,239
empathetic and loving towards your

2461
01:33:52,870 --> 01:33:51,760
family and you want to be a better

2462
01:33:54,870 --> 01:33:52,880
person

2463
01:33:56,629 --> 01:33:54,880
i think we all need some of that in this

2464
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:56,639
world so i think it should be legal they

2465
01:33:59,990 --> 01:33:58,560
should sell that at the 7-eleven you

2466
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:00,000
know

2467
01:34:12,709 --> 01:34:10,320
world doesn't need more of that

2468
01:34:14,790 --> 01:34:12,719
yeah and walter bosley says maybe dmt

2469
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:14,800
sure but not real yeah i believe that

2470
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:17,040
our experience was probably drug induced

2471
01:34:21,910 --> 01:34:20,000
in one form or another walter bosley

2472
01:34:24,550 --> 01:34:21,920
um but again this is just my opinion of

2473
01:34:26,470 --> 01:34:24,560
my speculation and i'm gonna give her

2474
01:34:28,629 --> 01:34:26,480
the benefit of the doubt you know a

2475
01:34:30,470 --> 01:34:28,639
little part of me goes what if we're

2476
01:34:32,629 --> 01:34:30,480
both wrong scott brown what if we're

2477
01:34:34,950 --> 01:34:32,639
both horribly wrong and this girl comes

2478
01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:34,960
through with the proof

2479
01:34:39,510 --> 01:34:37,840
of alien life in a mountain

2480
01:34:41,510 --> 01:34:39,520
you know we're going to be in the movie

2481
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:41,520
scott brown we got to be in the movie

2482
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:43,360
right they're going to make a movie of

2483
01:34:46,070 --> 01:34:44,080
her

2484
01:34:48,790 --> 01:34:46,080
if it were to happen and she was to

2485
01:34:52,229 --> 01:34:48,800
bring sort of some sort of evidence to

2486
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:52,239
the public and it was irrefutable

2487
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:53,520
you know

2488
01:34:58,709 --> 01:34:55,760
i'm willing to go on the air and

2489
01:35:01,990 --> 01:34:58,719
apologize to her a thousand times

2490
01:35:03,430 --> 01:35:02,000
i really am you know but i mean

2491
01:35:06,870 --> 01:35:03,440
based on

2492
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:06,880
you know uh 30 plus years of doing this

2493
01:35:15,270 --> 01:35:08,400
it's just

2494
01:35:18,070 --> 01:35:15,280
and what she's saying is not new and you

2495
01:35:20,149 --> 01:35:18,080
know that as well as i do i mean

2496
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:20,159
yeah it's her stories

2497
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:21,600
a combination

2498
01:35:29,669 --> 01:35:26,560
mythology she's got the grays in there

2499
01:35:31,750 --> 01:35:29,679
she's got mantid aliens she's got a

2500
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:31,760
secret underground

2501
01:35:34,470 --> 01:35:33,280
alien base

2502
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:34,480
people already

2503
01:35:40,310 --> 01:35:36,960
you know talk about dulce and other

2504
01:35:42,550 --> 01:35:40,320
antarctic underground bases it's like

2505
01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:42,560
it's like a uh

2506
01:35:47,109 --> 01:35:45,119
a quilt work right like you have a quilt

2507
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:47,119
and she took like this one part we'll

2508
01:35:50,470 --> 01:35:48,880
put an alien base we'll sew that in

2509
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:50,480
there now we got oh we gotta have the

2510
01:35:54,709 --> 01:35:52,239
gray aliens we'll sew that into the

2511
01:35:56,390 --> 01:35:54,719
quilt and now she's got a quilt of ufo

2512
01:35:59,270 --> 01:35:56,400
mythology most of which is already

2513
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:59,280
accepted and the same sort of

2514
01:36:03,030 --> 01:36:01,440
at this this one thing that people do

2515
01:36:05,350 --> 01:36:03,040
always bothers me when they're like oh

2516
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:05,360
they're here to help us you know

2517
01:36:10,310 --> 01:36:07,679
you know the aliens are here to help the

2518
01:36:12,550 --> 01:36:10,320
human race like

2519
01:36:14,470 --> 01:36:12,560
i i just think that you know it's just

2520
01:36:16,629 --> 01:36:14,480
as likely that the aliens would come

2521
01:36:18,229 --> 01:36:16,639
here to help us as as it would be for

2522
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:18,239
them to exterminate us because

2523
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:19,760
apparently

2524
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:21,520
planets that are able to support very

2525
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,960
complex life forms are exceedingly rare

2526
01:36:27,990 --> 01:36:26,800
to the best of our scientific knowledge

2527
01:36:28,950 --> 01:36:28,000
right now

2528
01:36:33,270 --> 01:36:28,960
so

2529
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:33,280
species to say hey that planet can

2530
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:35,760
support life complex life forms but we

2531
01:36:38,870 --> 01:36:37,600
don't like the humans that are in

2532
01:36:40,470 --> 01:36:38,880
control of it so we'll just go

2533
01:36:42,390 --> 01:36:40,480
exterminate them and

2534
01:36:44,390 --> 01:36:42,400
take over right

2535
01:36:46,149 --> 01:36:44,400
yeah you know well these people are all

2536
01:36:47,510 --> 01:36:46,159
like they're our space brothers they're

2537
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:47,520
here to help us

2538
01:36:52,149 --> 01:36:49,520
it's funny you say that because i saw a

2539
01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,159
comment i think it was yesterday maybe

2540
01:36:55,189 --> 01:36:54,239
the day before where

2541
01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:55,199
uh

2542
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:58,000
somebody said to and you know there's a

2543
01:37:02,390 --> 01:36:59,920
large section of the community that

2544
01:37:04,310 --> 01:37:02,400
practices ce5

2545
01:37:05,830 --> 01:37:04,320
um oh yeah yeah there's somebody saying

2546
01:37:07,910 --> 01:37:05,840
that that's evil now and you're going to

2547
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:07,920
well somebody did this

2548
01:37:12,870 --> 01:37:09,840
remark and he said

2549
01:37:15,350 --> 01:37:12,880
what the hell do you how the hell do you

2550
01:37:17,910 --> 01:37:15,360
know what you're contacting

2551
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:17,920
you know you're making contact but you

2552
01:37:24,070 --> 01:37:20,960
have no idea what that is it could be

2553
01:37:25,350 --> 01:37:24,080
something that is so bad we could never

2554
01:37:28,390 --> 01:37:25,360
figure it out

2555
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:28,400
it was it's beyond human comprehension

2556
01:37:31,109 --> 01:37:29,119
so

2557
01:37:33,510 --> 01:37:31,119
what are you contacting

2558
01:37:34,790 --> 01:37:33,520
because you don't know what it is yeah

2559
01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:34,800
it's like the same thing when we were

2560
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,040
kids you know the priests they would

2561
01:37:41,270 --> 01:37:40,239
warn us against using a ouija board

2562
01:37:42,950 --> 01:37:41,280
because you don't know who you're

2563
01:37:45,350 --> 01:37:42,960
contacting it could be demons

2564
01:37:47,830 --> 01:37:45,360
masquerading as spirits

2565
01:37:50,550 --> 01:37:47,840
yeah i mean you know and you got to look

2566
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:50,560
at it this way too and i i posted an

2567
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:52,639
article on my twitter i don't know i

2568
01:37:55,990 --> 01:37:54,880
think it was a couple weeks ago

2569
01:37:58,870 --> 01:37:56,000
where

2570
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:58,880
uh this one researcher i can't remember

2571
01:38:02,629 --> 01:38:01,040
his name off the top of my head but he

2572
01:38:05,109 --> 01:38:02,639
put together

2573
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:05,119
a bunch of cases

2574
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:06,560
where

2575
01:38:10,870 --> 01:38:07,520
there was

2576
01:38:13,669 --> 01:38:10,880
you could literally call it sexual abuse

2577
01:38:15,189 --> 01:38:13,679
in these cases of abduction and these

2578
01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:15,199
researchers

2579
01:38:20,390 --> 01:38:17,119
documented the case

2580
01:38:22,629 --> 01:38:20,400
and then left certain aspects out of

2581
01:38:25,350 --> 01:38:22,639
that sexual abuse

2582
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:25,360
because they didn't want to report on it

2583
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:28,080
so talk about that yeah right so that's

2584
01:38:34,149 --> 01:38:31,520
you know i mean you've got one aspect

2585
01:38:35,350 --> 01:38:34,159
over here where it's terrifying they're

2586
01:38:37,270 --> 01:38:35,360
doing really

2587
01:38:39,109 --> 01:38:37,280
shitty stuff to people

2588
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:39,119
and then you've got this over here where

2589
01:38:43,189 --> 01:38:40,880
they're the space brothers they're here

2590
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,199
to help us

2591
01:38:46,550 --> 01:38:45,360
maybe it's two different things maybe

2592
01:38:48,149 --> 01:38:46,560
it's two

2593
01:38:50,790 --> 01:38:48,159
three different species

2594
01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:50,800
right three four different you know

2595
01:38:54,950 --> 01:38:52,639
entities i mean

2596
01:38:57,430 --> 01:38:54,960
you never know or it could be

2597
01:38:58,870 --> 01:38:57,440
all within one realm but

2598
01:39:01,109 --> 01:38:58,880
part of it's

2599
01:39:03,350 --> 01:39:01,119
you know malevolent and the other part

2600
01:39:05,830 --> 01:39:03,360
of it's benevolent i mean you never know

2601
01:39:07,669 --> 01:39:05,840
so we have no idea

2602
01:39:10,229 --> 01:39:07,679
so

2603
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:10,239
it could possibly be that

2604
01:39:14,950 --> 01:39:12,719
you know and and certain people are

2605
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:14,960
going to grasp on to it like when i had

2606
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:17,920
my sleep paralysis back in 87

2607
01:39:22,149 --> 01:39:19,760
and i came out of it

2608
01:39:24,070 --> 01:39:22,159
i was terrified i mean i never felt

2609
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:24,080
anything like that in my life i never

2610
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:27,440
had yeah it was very vivid and it was

2611
01:39:33,669 --> 01:39:30,800
scary and it it hung with me for days

2612
01:39:35,350 --> 01:39:33,679
afterwards i couldn't shake it

2613
01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:35,360
and

2614
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:37,600
you know i'm not saying that that's

2615
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:39,760
proof of something that's you know

2616
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:41,920
malevolent but

2617
01:39:47,669 --> 01:39:45,119
that feeling that i had was like super

2618
01:39:49,510 --> 01:39:47,679
terrifying right it was just dread just

2619
01:39:50,470 --> 01:39:49,520
pure dread

2620
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:50,480
terror

2621
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:52,560
you know i came out of it and i i said

2622
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:54,800
to my my ex-wife i said

2623
01:39:59,590 --> 01:39:56,800
i think this place is haunted and she

2624
01:40:02,629 --> 01:39:59,600
said what do you mean so i told her you

2625
01:40:04,550 --> 01:40:02,639
know how i felt and and coming out of it

2626
01:40:06,310 --> 01:40:04,560
and that i could sense something was

2627
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:06,320
near me

2628
01:40:10,149 --> 01:40:07,679
and um

2629
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:10,159
you know we just kind of brushed it off

2630
01:40:14,390 --> 01:40:11,760
and um

2631
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:14,400
so i've had a lot of incidents of weird

2632
01:40:19,270 --> 01:40:17,199
strangeness around me over the years you

2633
01:40:20,950 --> 01:40:19,280
know really weird stuff

2634
01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:20,960
and um

2635
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:24,000
i just get a sense that i i don't get a

2636
01:40:29,510 --> 01:40:26,000
sense that

2637
01:40:31,430 --> 01:40:29,520
it's here to help me or it's on my side

2638
01:40:33,030 --> 01:40:31,440
i kind of get a sense that it's

2639
01:40:39,270 --> 01:40:33,040
indifferent

2640
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:39,280
you know and it's it's it's

2641
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:41,920
not on one side or the other not good or

2642
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:43,679
bad it's just in the middle it's

2643
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:46,639
indifferent to us i don't know

2644
01:40:50,709 --> 01:40:48,400
you know you know it's

2645
01:40:53,990 --> 01:40:50,719
it's trying to understand the mind of an

2646
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:54,000
alien or their intentions to me is a lot

2647
01:40:58,310 --> 01:40:55,600
like trying to understand the mind of

2648
01:41:00,390 --> 01:40:58,320
god and his intentions like maybe

2649
01:41:02,790 --> 01:41:00,400
they're just so advanced that we can't

2650
01:41:05,990 --> 01:41:02,800
even comprehend what their intentions

2651
01:41:08,790 --> 01:41:06,000
are what their motivations are what they

2652
01:41:10,629 --> 01:41:08,800
want here but it seems like this has

2653
01:41:14,870 --> 01:41:10,639
been a mystery that has been with us

2654
01:41:21,669 --> 01:41:16,830
and it's you know something

2655
01:41:25,830 --> 01:41:23,669
when i was five years old they removed

2656
01:41:27,910 --> 01:41:25,840
me from sunday school

2657
01:41:30,709 --> 01:41:27,920
and the reason that they did was because

2658
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:30,719
i kept asking questions like

2659
01:41:36,870 --> 01:41:34,159
the the question that got me you know

2660
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:36,880
removed from the class for good

2661
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:40,880
was i went to the priest and i said

2662
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:42,159
how

2663
01:41:48,149 --> 01:41:45,280
did all these people get here

2664
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:48,159
because that means that adam and eve the

2665
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:50,239
brothers and sisters would have had to

2666
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:51,920
marry each other

2667
01:41:56,550 --> 01:41:54,159
yeah i asked that question once you

2668
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:56,560
like to talk about it yeah right any and

2669
01:42:01,430 --> 01:41:58,719
you're telling me that it's wrong and so

2670
01:42:03,270 --> 01:42:01,440
they took my parents to the side and

2671
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:03,280
they said you know your son is

2672
01:42:08,629 --> 01:42:05,600
disrupting the class we're gonna have to

2673
01:42:10,790 --> 01:42:08,639
remove him and they took me out of there

2674
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,800
but my mother sensed

2675
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:12,960
years later she would tell me that story

2676
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:15,040
and say you know

2677
01:42:19,109 --> 01:42:17,040
you you're you're just always asking

2678
01:42:20,790 --> 01:42:19,119
questions you're never

2679
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:20,800
what's a good question right yeah that

2680
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,480
would happen

2681
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:24,719
if the bible creation story is true and

2682
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:26,080
i don't believe that it is i believe

2683
01:42:29,030 --> 01:42:27,119
it's a myth

2684
01:42:30,950 --> 01:42:29,040
but if the bible creation story was true

2685
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:30,960
it would mean that adam and eve had

2686
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:33,679
children and then all of humanity

2687
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:35,840
really got birthed from incest after

2688
01:42:39,189 --> 01:42:37,600
that absolutely

2689
01:42:41,109 --> 01:42:39,199
and wouldn't genetically we'd be all

2690
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:41,119
screwed up there wouldn't be the genetic

2691
01:42:45,270 --> 01:42:43,360
diversity we have so yeah i've doubted a

2692
01:42:48,629 --> 01:42:45,280
lot of and i was the kind of kid that

2693
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,639
got thrown out of the class too

2694
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,880
he asked too many questions right i used

2695
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:52,480
to ask a lot about demons and the

2696
01:42:56,870 --> 01:42:55,600
nephilim and giants in the bible and

2697
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:56,880
and like

2698
01:43:00,709 --> 01:42:58,960
when i grew up the catholic priests were

2699
01:43:03,189 --> 01:43:00,719
always warning us there was satanic

2700
01:43:04,390 --> 01:43:03,199
panic during my childhood you know about

2701
01:43:06,070 --> 01:43:04,400
they were always warning us that

2702
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:06,080
everything's going to get you into a

2703
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:08,960
satanic cult and demons and things

2704
01:43:13,350 --> 01:43:11,520
yeah even to the point of like you know

2705
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:13,360
music is demonic you can't listen to

2706
01:43:16,390 --> 01:43:15,280
heavy metal that's demonic and i just

2707
01:43:18,709 --> 01:43:16,400
went

2708
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:18,719
i i'm not gonna listen to this anymore

2709
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:20,480
it's just garbage because they want to

2710
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:23,119
control you and you know

2711
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:25,520
and i remember too when they they were

2712
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:27,520
harping on us that everything is demonic

2713
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:29,280
and demons and this and that so i went

2714
01:43:34,470 --> 01:43:31,920
and found solomon the story of solomon's

2715
01:43:37,430 --> 01:43:34,480
temple and like if demons are so bad why

2716
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:37,440
is the wisest man in the world solomon

2717
01:43:40,790 --> 01:43:40,000
commanding demons to build a temple for

2718
01:43:42,790 --> 01:43:40,800
him

2719
01:43:44,950 --> 01:43:42,800
and he wrote all these books on how to

2720
01:43:45,910 --> 01:43:44,960
use demons to do everything you want to

2721
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:45,920
do

2722
01:43:50,950 --> 01:43:49,119
and i got i got tossed out

2723
01:43:53,510 --> 01:43:50,960
suspended for that they sent me home for

2724
01:43:54,629 --> 01:43:53,520
a couple days so i stopped this and what

2725
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:54,639
they

2726
01:44:00,149 --> 01:43:57,040
thought were dumb questions right

2727
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,159
yeah it's you know i mean i've always

2728
01:44:04,390 --> 01:44:02,639
had weird problems with that stuff i

2729
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:04,400
used to think about it my best friend's

2730
01:44:09,669 --> 01:44:07,840
mother was a a catechism teacher

2731
01:44:12,390 --> 01:44:09,679
and uh you know i'd throw different

2732
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:12,400
stuff at her and she'd be like you know

2733
01:44:17,510 --> 01:44:15,440
i'm just not even gonna address that she

2734
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:17,520
wouldn't even give me an answer yeah no

2735
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:19,520
i mean by and large i think religion and

2736
01:44:25,510 --> 01:44:22,880
spirituality is very helpful to humans

2737
01:44:26,470 --> 01:44:25,520
but there's so many contradictions that

2738
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:26,480
i just

2739
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:28,880
i sort of have the jeet kune do of

2740
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:31,440
religion and spirituality and that was

2741
01:44:36,070 --> 01:44:33,600
bruce lee's theory which take that which

2742
01:44:38,550 --> 01:44:36,080
works for you and discard the rest right

2743
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,560
so you know and that's kind of a cop out

2744
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:40,560
though honestly because you're just

2745
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:42,880
making up your own

2746
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:45,280
but it works for me you know

2747
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:48,000
you're making up your own philosophy

2748
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:49,360
yeah

2749
01:44:52,390 --> 01:44:50,800
i'm not going to start a cult and start

2750
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:52,400
taking people into a mountain to meet

2751
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:55,119
aliens though don't worry i think that's

2752
01:44:59,590 --> 01:44:57,440
a bridge too far even for me

2753
01:45:01,189 --> 01:44:59,600
so what what's on the horizon for you

2754
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:01,199
for people that don't know they can see

2755
01:45:04,709 --> 01:45:03,679
scott on ufo's declassified with erica

2756
01:45:07,030 --> 01:45:04,719
luke's

2757
01:45:08,950 --> 01:45:07,040
he's got a you know

2758
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,960
but trust me scott brown is definitely

2759
01:45:11,669 --> 01:45:10,560
the better looking of those two right

2760
01:45:12,470 --> 01:45:11,679
scott

2761
01:45:14,470 --> 01:45:12,480
no

2762
01:45:17,270 --> 01:45:14,480
how did you get that gig

2763
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:17,280
how do i get a hot cocoa stuff

2764
01:45:20,229 --> 01:45:18,800
i want to know

2765
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:20,239
uh you know

2766
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:23,440
we've been friends for uh probably about

2767
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:25,840
seven years now um

2768
01:45:29,590 --> 01:45:26,560
so

2769
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:29,600
i started out in 2013

2770
01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:31,679
where i formed a private group on

2771
01:45:35,189 --> 01:45:34,159
facebook called in the field

2772
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:35,199
and

2773
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,440
i began to gather different people from

2774
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:39,360
around the world and different people in

2775
01:45:43,109 --> 01:45:41,520
the community to join this group because

2776
01:45:45,109 --> 01:45:43,119
i noticed

2777
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:45,119
there were people shooting

2778
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:46,719
video with

2779
01:45:50,629 --> 01:45:49,600
infrared cameras you know full spectrum

2780
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:50,639
cameras

2781
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,600
and so that was something that i felt

2782
01:45:57,910 --> 01:45:55,520
was tangible

2783
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:57,920
that you know people are seeing ufos and

2784
01:46:01,830 --> 01:45:59,520
they're talking about them and all these

2785
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:01,840
books that i'm reading i want to see

2786
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,159
them myself i don't want to see other

2787
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:06,960
people's photos other people's footage i

2788
01:46:11,750 --> 01:46:08,639
want to see it myself

2789
01:46:13,189 --> 01:46:11,760
so that was the goal

2790
01:46:15,350 --> 01:46:13,199
then

2791
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:15,360
you know eventually

2792
01:46:21,510 --> 01:46:18,719
i ran into erica she asked to join

2793
01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:21,520
i had seen her on tv already

2794
01:46:25,750 --> 01:46:23,679
on a couple of different tv shows and i

2795
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:25,760
went oh cool you know she's

2796
01:46:30,629 --> 01:46:28,560
seems like she's pretty legit

2797
01:46:33,189 --> 01:46:30,639
and so we stayed friends you know she

2798
01:46:36,229 --> 01:46:33,199
did a couple of i did a couple of uh her

2799
01:46:38,830 --> 01:46:36,239
podcasts and then um

2800
01:46:41,990 --> 01:46:38,840
it wasn't only just a few months

2801
01:46:44,550 --> 01:46:42,000
ago where she was kind of down about the

2802
01:46:45,510 --> 01:46:44,560
show and i said look i said why don't we

2803
01:46:47,430 --> 01:46:45,520
just

2804
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:47,440
let's go to video

2805
01:46:52,550 --> 01:46:49,600
let's do the interviews with the you

2806
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:52,560
know stream yard software let's do live

2807
01:46:58,229 --> 01:46:55,360
interviews let's get away from the audio

2808
01:47:01,109 --> 01:46:58,239
podcast yeah i did and i got to tell you

2809
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:01,119
i much prefer this format i don't yeah

2810
01:47:05,109 --> 01:47:02,880
editing all the time and putting all

2811
01:47:07,669 --> 01:47:05,119
these bumpers in and audio this and

2812
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,679
audio that music and no

2813
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:10,000
it's much and it changed everything i

2814
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:10,880
mean

2815
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:12,800
you know she was averaging probably

2816
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:15,920
three or four hundred views per per

2817
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:18,320
episode of the podcast and now

2818
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:20,320
with the video you know she averages

2819
01:47:25,750 --> 01:47:24,000
about a thousand views per show so

2820
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:25,760
you know we're hoping to build that up

2821
01:47:29,750 --> 01:47:27,679
we're gonna try yeah that's about where

2822
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:29,760
i am and and

2823
01:47:35,430 --> 01:47:32,239
it's a you know it's this is a this is a

2824
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,440
grind it's it to me i start feeling like

2825
01:47:39,590 --> 01:47:37,360
i gotta figure out what this algorithm

2826
01:47:41,750 --> 01:47:39,600
wants and feed it what what it wants

2827
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:41,760
because it seems like some shows and i'm

2828
01:47:45,669 --> 01:47:43,360
still trying to figure this out you know

2829
01:47:47,590 --> 01:47:45,679
some shows do very very well and others

2830
01:47:49,750 --> 01:47:47,600
do very very poorly

2831
01:47:51,350 --> 01:47:49,760
and uh i don't know why you're like

2832
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:51,360
here's a perfect example but some of

2833
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:53,600
them go south and i'm okay with that i'm

2834
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:55,360
okay with so like people have been

2835
01:47:58,629 --> 01:47:56,800
asking me forever why don't you do a

2836
01:48:00,310 --> 01:47:58,639
show on cryptocurrency because a lot of

2837
01:48:02,470 --> 01:48:00,320
people are into crypto so i have a guy

2838
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:02,480
he comes on and he basically says

2839
01:48:07,430 --> 01:48:04,560
all the other cryptocurrency is crap

2840
01:48:09,270 --> 01:48:07,440
except for mine by mine and i knew it

2841
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:09,280
was a sales pitch so we cut the

2842
01:48:12,470 --> 01:48:10,320
interview

2843
01:48:15,510 --> 01:48:12,480
you know he was getting

2844
01:48:17,430 --> 01:48:15,520
through the live chat was destroying him

2845
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:17,440
and he lied straight to my face during

2846
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:19,199
the interview saying that this guy's not

2847
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:20,320
funding his

2848
01:48:23,350 --> 01:48:21,840
bitcoin or

2849
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:23,360
whatever and then it turns out his

2850
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,000
foundation was funding it and you know

2851
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:28,560
so someone will go south and you just

2852
01:48:31,750 --> 01:48:30,080
when we have this interview last night

2853
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:31,760
that everybody's still talking about for

2854
01:48:34,390 --> 01:48:33,040
those who don't know i interviewed this

2855
01:48:35,750 --> 01:48:34,400
lauren pritchard

2856
01:48:38,310 --> 01:48:35,760
and i'm still

2857
01:48:40,149 --> 01:48:38,320
digesting that and and uh people a lot

2858
01:48:42,390 --> 01:48:40,159
of people have different opinions

2859
01:48:45,030 --> 01:48:42,400
and i'm of the opinion that

2860
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:45,040
that was a teachable moment for me and i

2861
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:47,440
have to be

2862
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,679
a little more discriminating you know i

2863
01:48:53,910 --> 01:48:51,679
can't just jump on air with somebody

2864
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:53,920
because somebody suggested i do or

2865
01:48:58,790 --> 01:48:55,440
because you know

2866
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:58,800
because we certainly don't want to

2867
01:49:03,910 --> 01:49:01,280
exploit someone that may be suffering

2868
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,920
from mental illnesses so i'm gonna i'm

2869
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:05,600
i'm gonna be a lot more careful going

2870
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:08,239
forward or try to be you know

2871
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:10,480
you know she she uh

2872
01:49:15,030 --> 01:49:12,800
i didn't know who she was until i and i

2873
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:15,040
got to your show late i only saw the

2874
01:49:18,790 --> 01:49:17,280
tail end of it so i went back and i

2875
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,800
watched some more of it and then i

2876
01:49:23,270 --> 01:49:20,560
started doing a little bit of background

2877
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:23,280
research on her

2878
01:49:29,189 --> 01:49:25,760
and it's a rabbit hole yeah i took i

2879
01:49:31,589 --> 01:49:29,199
took a couple years of psychology in

2880
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:31,599
college and one of them

2881
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:35,440
yeah one of the the aspects of it

2882
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:38,960
was abnormal psychology so it's where

2883
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:40,400
it's my wife's favorite she's got a

2884
01:49:44,470 --> 01:49:42,320
psychology degree and her favorite thing

2885
01:49:45,990 --> 01:49:44,480
is abnormal psychology and the

2886
01:49:48,390 --> 01:49:46,000
psychology of

2887
01:49:52,149 --> 01:49:48,400
it's incredible it really is i mean the

2888
01:49:54,470 --> 01:49:52,159
directions that the mind can go in

2889
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:54,480
you know and when you get some kind of

2890
01:50:00,390 --> 01:49:58,159
certain belief set in your mind

2891
01:50:02,950 --> 01:50:00,400
and no matter what comes at you you

2892
01:50:04,629 --> 01:50:02,960
cannot tear yourself away i was

2893
01:50:06,310 --> 01:50:04,639
listening to her last night and i was

2894
01:50:08,709 --> 01:50:06,320
like where is she getting this

2895
01:50:10,870 --> 01:50:08,719
information from i don't understand and

2896
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:10,880
the lack of proof for evidence and her

2897
01:50:15,750 --> 01:50:12,320
inability

2898
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:15,760
i was very struck by her lack of empathy

2899
01:50:19,270 --> 01:50:17,199
for the beer company that she was

2900
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:19,280
accusing of being satanic pedophiles

2901
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,679
because i i got to humanize them i

2902
01:50:24,950 --> 01:50:23,440
talked to some of the people

2903
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:24,960
representatives of the company and it's

2904
01:50:29,109 --> 01:50:26,480
just like a small

2905
01:50:30,950 --> 01:50:29,119
craft brewery family run business they

2906
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:30,960
employ like 50 people

2907
01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:32,000
you know

2908
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,920
and and they were

2909
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:35,840
shocked by her allegations because

2910
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,800
there's no there's no evidence

2911
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:40,960
whatsoever of anything

2912
01:50:46,629 --> 01:50:44,639
like that going on in their business

2913
01:50:48,390 --> 01:50:46,639
yeah it caused them a great deal of

2914
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:48,400
problems you know people are calling

2915
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:50,320
them and harassing them and

2916
01:50:54,790 --> 01:50:52,639
where did it come from where did she get

2917
01:50:56,870 --> 01:50:54,800
that it's her own personal belief oh

2918
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:56,880
there was a oh wait her evidence was

2919
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:58,639
there was an atlas statue in front of

2920
01:51:01,589 --> 01:51:00,320
the building there's some kind of mural

2921
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:01,599
that she says

2922
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:04,080
identifies them as satanic and

2923
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:06,800
there was a girl's hair bow on the

2924
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:08,480
sidewalk across the street from the

2925
01:51:11,830 --> 01:51:10,239
place that must be a sign that they're

2926
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:11,840
all profiled

2927
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:14,000
you know it's just it was too much for

2928
01:51:17,669 --> 01:51:15,760
me what

2929
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:17,679
you know it's kind of like

2930
01:51:21,109 --> 01:51:19,440
it's kind of like it reminds me of the

2931
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:21,119
guy you remember when the whole

2932
01:51:24,870 --> 01:51:24,080
pizzagate thing was going on before q

2933
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:24,880
took

2934
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:27,520
hold and the pizzagate was saying that

2935
01:51:31,669 --> 01:51:30,080
it was a certain place and the democrats

2936
01:51:33,910 --> 01:51:31,679
were taking the children into the

2937
01:51:35,990 --> 01:51:33,920
basement and raping them and then

2938
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:36,000
killing them and eating them or drinking

2939
01:51:41,109 --> 01:51:38,639
their blood or some crap like that yeah

2940
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:41,119
and so this one guy gets obsessed with

2941
01:51:45,270 --> 01:51:42,400
it online

2942
01:51:47,510 --> 01:51:45,280
loads up a rifle goes down there goes

2943
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:47,520
storming into the pizza place puts the

2944
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:49,360
gun on the guy and goes

2945
01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:51,440
show me where the damn basement is right

2946
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:53,920
now and the guy looked at him and said

2947
01:51:58,229 --> 01:51:57,199
this building doesn't have a basement

2948
01:52:00,790 --> 01:51:58,239
and so

2949
01:52:02,629 --> 01:52:00,800
he set the gun down

2950
01:52:04,390 --> 01:52:02,639
and he sat there and waited till the

2951
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:04,400
police came and they came and arrested

2952
01:52:08,790 --> 01:52:05,920
him and he said it was the biggest

2953
01:52:12,390 --> 01:52:08,800
mistake he made in his life i mean

2954
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:12,400
it fascinates me that's what can trigger

2955
01:52:15,990 --> 01:52:13,440
someone

2956
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:16,000
to grab a hold of something that is so

2957
01:52:21,510 --> 01:52:18,719
not real yeah

2958
01:52:24,149 --> 01:52:21,520
but that that specific story tells

2959
01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:24,159
the danger of these crazy online

2960
01:52:28,310 --> 01:52:26,480
conspiracy stories and what can happen

2961
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:28,320
because that easily could have escalated

2962
01:52:31,270 --> 01:52:29,199
into

2963
01:52:33,910 --> 01:52:31,280
a murder situation

2964
01:52:35,589 --> 01:52:33,920
or maybe the guy if he was a little more

2965
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,599
mentally unhinged would have went there

2966
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:37,119
and just start shooting employees

2967
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:38,639
because he's angry that they're hurting

2968
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:40,960
children or whatever you know

2969
01:52:44,229 --> 01:52:42,400
and i just want to mention for the

2970
01:52:46,229 --> 01:52:44,239
benefit of the youtube algorithm because

2971
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:46,239
you mentioned that word the gateway and

2972
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:47,760
that thing that people like to eat

2973
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:50,800
that's round we don't mention that here

2974
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:53,760
because youtube does not like it so i i

2975
01:52:56,870 --> 01:52:55,119
just want to make sure the algorithm

2976
01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:56,880
understands that we are

2977
01:53:01,990 --> 01:52:59,040
not supporting that theory we are saying

2978
01:53:04,709 --> 01:53:02,000
it's ludicrous and it was ludicrous and

2979
01:53:06,229 --> 01:53:04,719
and uh yeah absolutely critical of that

2980
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:06,239
thing yeah

2981
01:53:11,270 --> 01:53:08,400
yeah it was very similar to this though

2982
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,280
sort of her theories which is just like

2983
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:13,360
we'll take this bunch of disconnected

2984
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:14,800
evidence that doesn't really mean

2985
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:16,480
anything it's not really evidence and

2986
01:53:19,030 --> 01:53:18,239
we'll connect the dots and we'll just

2987
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:19,040
say

2988
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:22,239
there's a mural there's an atlas statue

2989
01:53:26,790 --> 01:53:24,719
somehow atlas statue is somehow

2990
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,800
luciferian symbol now i've never heard

2991
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:28,560
that before but okay

2992
01:53:33,990 --> 01:53:30,239
and a a

2993
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:34,000
girl's bow hair bow on the floor outside

2994
01:53:38,149 --> 01:53:35,280
the place

2995
01:53:39,589 --> 01:53:38,159
and some kind of mural which i i wish i

2996
01:53:40,790 --> 01:53:39,599
would have known that she said to me or

2997
01:53:42,310 --> 01:53:40,800
i would have asked the company for

2998
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:42,320
pictures of it so we could look at it

2999
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:43,520
but

3000
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:45,280
you know people buy artwork and put it

3001
01:53:47,990 --> 01:53:46,800
on the side of their building it doesn't

3002
01:53:51,030 --> 01:53:48,000
mean that they're

3003
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:51,040
satanic pedophiles you know

3004
01:53:56,070 --> 01:53:52,880
what i i just

3005
01:53:56,950 --> 01:53:56,080
i it's hard for me to grasp it really is

3006
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:56,960
like

3007
01:54:01,830 --> 01:53:58,960
how do you take all these little pieces

3008
01:54:04,709 --> 01:54:01,840
that you see and in your mind you build

3009
01:54:06,950 --> 01:54:04,719
this fake scenario

3010
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:06,960
and it's it's the complete opposite of

3011
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:08,560
critical thinking

3012
01:54:14,310 --> 01:54:12,320
of saying okay well if i saw the the

3013
01:54:16,950 --> 01:54:14,320
ball on the ground well some girl

3014
01:54:18,629 --> 01:54:16,960
dropped their bow and if i saw a statue

3015
01:54:21,910 --> 01:54:18,639
in a painting

3016
01:54:25,270 --> 01:54:21,920
i'm not seeing these underlying things

3017
01:54:26,950 --> 01:54:25,280
in a piece of art so

3018
01:54:29,189 --> 01:54:26,960
if there's pedophiles in there what are

3019
01:54:31,109 --> 01:54:29,199
they doing advertising out in front of

3020
01:54:32,870 --> 01:54:31,119
their building so people know that

3021
01:54:34,629 --> 01:54:32,880
they're in there i mean

3022
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:34,639
it doesn't even make sense none of it

3023
01:54:39,199 --> 01:54:42,950
see lauren

3024
01:54:46,709 --> 01:54:44,950
oh sorry that's when i started getting

3025
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:46,719
the inkling that she's suffering from

3026
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:48,960
some kind of psychotic you know i'm not

3027
01:54:52,390 --> 01:54:50,080
a psychiatrist so i'm not going to

3028
01:54:53,910 --> 01:54:52,400
diagnose her but i got a bad feeling

3029
01:54:56,229 --> 01:54:53,920
that she's got real

3030
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:56,239
mental issues and should seek help she

3031
01:54:59,669 --> 01:54:57,679
claims that there's nothing wrong in her

3032
01:55:01,830 --> 01:54:59,679
life so she doesn't need to but i would

3033
01:55:03,270 --> 01:55:01,840
still encourage her to do so

3034
01:55:06,149 --> 01:55:03,280
and and you know

3035
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:06,159
i i i went away from that feeling guilty

3036
01:55:11,270 --> 01:55:08,320
and feeling like uh

3037
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:11,280
not guilty but feeling uh

3038
01:55:14,629 --> 01:55:12,960
feeling bad for her you know because

3039
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:14,639
this is some kind of like you said it's

3040
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:16,800
some kind of constructed reality that

3041
01:55:21,109 --> 01:55:19,119
she lives in that's not real

3042
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:21,119
i mean she said that she believed some

3043
01:55:27,669 --> 01:55:23,920
guy had laser gun implants in his arms

3044
01:55:30,550 --> 01:55:27,679
and was a super soldier yeah you told me

3045
01:55:31,830 --> 01:55:30,560
what how do you i just don't i don't

3046
01:55:32,950 --> 01:55:31,840
understand

3047
01:55:35,990 --> 01:55:32,960
like

3048
01:55:37,589 --> 01:55:36,000
are there very i do want to apologize

3049
01:55:39,589 --> 01:55:37,599
i don't think she'll ever apologize but

3050
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:39,599
i want to apologize to some of my

3051
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:41,840
viewers and listeners because she was

3052
01:55:44,390 --> 01:55:42,719
very

3053
01:55:46,629 --> 01:55:44,400
nasty to people in the comments that

3054
01:55:50,790 --> 01:55:46,639
disagreed with her stories calling

3055
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:50,800
people devils pedophiles nazis satanists

3056
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:53,119
and and to me uh

3057
01:55:57,510 --> 01:55:55,040
that's a little too far so i apologize

3058
01:55:59,910 --> 01:55:57,520
to anybody who had those interactions

3059
01:56:01,910 --> 01:55:59,920
with her because i felt like people were

3060
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:01,920
challenging her stories but that nobody

3061
01:56:07,990 --> 01:56:04,400
was being super rude to her in the live

3062
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:08,000
chat yeah that's crazy man that's crazy

3063
01:56:12,310 --> 01:56:10,320
you know i mean you know what else is

3064
01:56:14,390 --> 01:56:12,320
funny is that this is again you never

3065
01:56:16,070 --> 01:56:14,400
know what kind of which way an interview

3066
01:56:17,830 --> 01:56:16,080
is going to go there's like three or

3067
01:56:19,589 --> 01:56:17,840
four other show hosts that are streaming

3068
01:56:22,550 --> 01:56:19,599
that and talking about it

3069
01:56:23,750 --> 01:56:22,560
and how crazy that crazy train went you

3070
01:56:26,070 --> 01:56:23,760
know like

3071
01:56:27,990 --> 01:56:26,080
and i'm just in there going

3072
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:28,000
i don't know what to say next i don't

3073
01:56:31,350 --> 01:56:30,000
know what to ask her next and then

3074
01:56:33,270 --> 01:56:31,360
other people made the comment that i

3075
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:33,280
should have shut it down when i realized

3076
01:56:35,589 --> 01:56:34,080
how

3077
01:56:38,070 --> 01:56:35,599
you know

3078
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:38,080
whack-a-do her theories were but i kind

3079
01:56:40,950 --> 01:56:39,119
of just

3080
01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:40,960
i couldn't find an off-ramp and every

3081
01:56:44,950 --> 01:56:42,880
time i tried it seemed like she said

3082
01:56:47,189 --> 01:56:44,960
something else that was even crazier

3083
01:56:49,589 --> 01:56:47,199
than the last thing and i just but you

3084
01:56:51,350 --> 01:56:49,599
were super polite to her right

3085
01:56:52,709 --> 01:56:51,360
yeah try to be nice to everybody here

3086
01:56:55,030 --> 01:56:52,719
absolutely

3087
01:56:56,709 --> 01:56:55,040
we can get nice guests like you know

3088
01:56:58,229 --> 01:56:56,719
scott brown i'm happy that you're here

3089
01:57:00,149 --> 01:56:58,239
by the way this is a long time coming

3090
01:57:01,990 --> 01:57:00,159
thank you for doing this i needed to

3091
01:57:03,350 --> 01:57:02,000
talk to somebody that i told scott

3092
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:03,360
before the interview we could talk about

3093
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:04,960
anything but you can't start telling

3094
01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:07,199
about your alien baby getting pregnant

3095
01:57:10,470 --> 01:57:09,040
and getting pulled out your belly and

3096
01:57:13,270 --> 01:57:10,480
you can't

3097
01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:13,280
okay i did that last night scott we're

3098
01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:14,880
gonna talk about

3099
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:16,960
other stuff i'm gonna go back and watch

3100
01:57:20,950 --> 01:57:18,960
the rest of it i gotta go back and watch

3101
01:57:22,629 --> 01:57:20,960
the rest of it it's gonna be one of

3102
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:22,639
those ones that i

3103
01:57:26,629 --> 01:57:24,880
i don't know about you scott but i never

3104
01:57:29,510 --> 01:57:26,639
i never i

3105
01:57:31,669 --> 01:57:29,520
listen to myself almost never after an

3106
01:57:33,830 --> 01:57:31,679
interview the bigger ones i did i

3107
01:57:35,990 --> 01:57:33,840
listened to the angeli interview after i

3108
01:57:38,070 --> 01:57:36,000
did it because i knew that that would be

3109
01:57:39,990 --> 01:57:38,080
highly scrutinized and i wanted to see

3110
01:57:41,750 --> 01:57:40,000
do i stand by what i did could i have

3111
01:57:43,030 --> 01:57:41,760
done this better that better but

3112
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:43,040
generally i don't like to second-guess

3113
01:57:45,589 --> 01:57:44,080
myself

3114
01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:45,599
so i'm never going to listen to that

3115
01:57:50,709 --> 01:57:47,840
again it's just going to be out there

3116
01:57:52,790 --> 01:57:50,719
and it is what it is and you know like

3117
01:57:54,390 --> 01:57:52,800
it or hate it you know and i'm sorry for

3118
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:54,400
the people that didn't like it or you

3119
01:57:57,430 --> 01:57:55,920
know

3120
01:57:59,030 --> 01:57:57,440
it's what it was

3121
01:58:00,870 --> 01:57:59,040
i thought it was great

3122
01:58:03,430 --> 01:58:00,880
it's one of those things like and and

3123
01:58:06,229 --> 01:58:03,440
you know what scott part of me knew like

3124
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:06,239
this is gonna get crazy i told kari the

3125
01:58:09,750 --> 01:58:08,000
girl who helps him to graphics i said

3126
01:58:11,750 --> 01:58:09,760
this is going to go off the rails real

3127
01:58:14,070 --> 01:58:11,760
fast i think but i'm going down this

3128
01:58:16,790 --> 01:58:14,080
crazy train because i want to show

3129
01:58:18,950 --> 01:58:16,800
people it's not just her there are

3130
01:58:21,430 --> 01:58:18,960
thousands of people out there

3131
01:58:23,270 --> 01:58:21,440
that believe very very similar things

3132
01:58:25,030 --> 01:58:23,280
just as strongly as she does they're

3133
01:58:27,510 --> 01:58:25,040
convinced

3134
01:58:30,790 --> 01:58:27,520
and that all this is real and i wanted

3135
01:58:32,550 --> 01:58:30,800
to go let's go get on the crazy train

3136
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:32,560
push it down that rabbit hole and see

3137
01:58:38,229 --> 01:58:35,760
how deep it goes so in that sense

3138
01:58:39,990 --> 01:58:38,239
i accomplished i guess my mission there

3139
01:58:41,830 --> 01:58:40,000
to take that crazy train as far down the

3140
01:58:44,310 --> 01:58:41,840
rabbit hole as we can get it

3141
01:58:46,390 --> 01:58:44,320
you did and where it goes and all the

3142
01:58:49,030 --> 01:58:46,400
questions were you know some of them

3143
01:58:50,950 --> 01:58:49,040
were tough some of them were you know i

3144
01:58:53,189 --> 01:58:50,960
mean

3145
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:53,199
moody mogul says she's a super soldier

3146
01:58:58,870 --> 01:58:56,000
with evil on her mind

3147
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:58,880
with music twin flame and oh and

3148
01:59:03,030 --> 01:59:00,880
that guy that she's like in la i think

3149
01:59:05,189 --> 01:59:03,040
she's like in love with him or she said

3150
01:59:07,189 --> 01:59:05,199
that's her her twin

3151
01:59:09,430 --> 01:59:07,199
casbolt guy he's a super soldier the guy

3152
01:59:11,589 --> 01:59:09,440
who claimed he has alien laser

3153
01:59:12,709 --> 01:59:11,599
implants in his arms that can pop out

3154
01:59:15,270 --> 01:59:12,719
and shoot

3155
01:59:17,830 --> 01:59:15,280
and hundreds of other claims i'm to do a

3156
01:59:19,270 --> 01:59:17,840
show on him because that guy is

3157
01:59:21,830 --> 01:59:19,280
wackadoo

3158
01:59:24,390 --> 01:59:21,840
cuckoo for coco puffs man

3159
01:59:25,990 --> 01:59:24,400
i i just don't i don't get it i don't

3160
01:59:29,109 --> 01:59:26,000
get it

3161
01:59:30,950 --> 01:59:29,119
i think it's like escapism or some some

3162
01:59:32,709 --> 01:59:30,960
you know they they live in this world

3163
01:59:34,550 --> 01:59:32,719
where they think they know the truth and

3164
01:59:37,189 --> 01:59:34,560
everybody else is wearing

3165
01:59:38,229 --> 01:59:37,199
blinders right they know the truth and

3166
01:59:40,629 --> 01:59:38,239
they know

3167
01:59:43,270 --> 01:59:40,639
you know what's really happening

3168
01:59:45,750 --> 01:59:43,280
but it's it's a delusional fantasy maybe

3169
01:59:47,669 --> 01:59:45,760
it's comforting to them i i don't know

3170
01:59:50,229 --> 01:59:47,679
or they feel important did you hear her

3171
01:59:52,310 --> 01:59:50,239
she she works for some secret military

3172
01:59:54,470 --> 01:59:52,320
secret space thing

3173
01:59:56,830 --> 01:59:54,480
but she collects donations

3174
01:59:59,270 --> 01:59:56,840
so i guess they don't pay her but she

3175
02:00:02,950 --> 01:59:59,280
said i don't pay any rent i only buy

3176
02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:02,960
groceries which is bizarro and she's a

3177
02:00:06,310 --> 02:00:04,320
bunch of people pointed out that she

3178
02:00:09,350 --> 02:00:06,320
mentioned that she steals wi-fi from her

3179
02:00:11,030 --> 02:00:09,360
neighbor or something you know like

3180
02:00:12,790 --> 02:00:11,040
i don't know it's just the whole thing

3181
02:00:14,470 --> 02:00:12,800
was bizarre i didn't

3182
02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:14,480
find out about her i mean because i

3183
02:00:18,790 --> 02:00:16,320
never came into the live chat when i was

3184
02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:18,800
talking about this other crazy girl

3185
02:00:22,709 --> 02:00:20,400
uh rachel

3186
02:00:24,709 --> 02:00:22,719
sarah r adams who's a psychic intuitive

3187
02:00:25,510 --> 02:00:24,719
healer and that's a great story

3188
02:00:29,350 --> 02:00:25,520
i

3189
02:00:31,270 --> 02:00:29,360
bunch of shows on her and then

3190
02:00:32,229 --> 02:00:31,280
i wanted to test her superpowers so i

3191
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:32,239
sent

3192
02:00:39,430 --> 02:00:37,920
mine that's also a hypnotist to pretend

3193
02:00:41,430 --> 02:00:39,440
to be a

3194
02:00:43,350 --> 02:00:41,440
a terminal cancer patient and she bought

3195
02:00:45,750 --> 02:00:43,360
that hook line and sinker

3196
02:00:48,470 --> 02:00:45,760
and she told him he she was freaking his

3197
02:00:49,510 --> 02:00:48,480
cancer cells and healing his tumors and

3198
02:00:52,070 --> 02:00:49,520
you know

3199
02:00:54,229 --> 02:00:52,080
and she's supposed to be she told me

3200
02:00:56,149 --> 02:00:54,239
before this that she can diagnose

3201
02:00:58,070 --> 02:00:56,159
somebody's medical condition from

3202
02:01:01,189 --> 02:00:58,080
viewing their aura and she could do that

3203
02:01:03,430 --> 02:01:01,199
at any distance over the phone whatever

3204
02:01:05,430 --> 02:01:03,440
so i sent a fake terminal cancer patient

3205
02:01:07,030 --> 02:01:05,440
to her she didn't know he was a fake

3206
02:01:08,470 --> 02:01:07,040
terminal cancer patient starts telling

3207
02:01:09,910 --> 02:01:08,480
him she's healing his cancer and

3208
02:01:11,189 --> 02:01:09,920
drinking his cancer cells so we did a

3209
02:01:13,910 --> 02:01:11,199
show on that

3210
02:01:15,830 --> 02:01:13,920
and this girl lauren and hates her so

3211
02:01:18,070 --> 02:01:15,840
she comes into our live chat like i can

3212
02:01:20,550 --> 02:01:18,080
tell you the real story about sarah or

3213
02:01:22,390 --> 02:01:20,560
adams and then it turns out that her

3214
02:01:25,910 --> 02:01:22,400
version of the real story of this other

3215
02:01:27,510 --> 02:01:25,920
fraud is that she's a cyborg an a.i

3216
02:01:30,470 --> 02:01:27,520
cyborg

3217
02:01:32,149 --> 02:01:30,480
ai controlled cyber

3218
02:01:34,470 --> 02:01:32,159
proof and that was another mistake that

3219
02:01:36,550 --> 02:01:34,480
i made and uh some people have pointed

3220
02:01:38,870 --> 02:01:36,560
that out that i shouldn't have brought

3221
02:01:40,229 --> 02:01:38,880
one girl who may be crazy

3222
02:01:42,390 --> 02:01:40,239
on the show

3223
02:01:43,589 --> 02:01:42,400
to talk about another girl that may be

3224
02:01:44,870 --> 02:01:43,599
crazy

3225
02:01:48,070 --> 02:01:44,880
it's like

3226
02:01:50,470 --> 02:01:48,080
they're both crazy so i can't

3227
02:01:51,990 --> 02:01:50,480
you know the enemy of my enemy is not

3228
02:01:54,870 --> 02:01:52,000
always my friend

3229
02:01:57,510 --> 02:01:54,880
but you know i consider that yesterday

3230
02:01:59,430 --> 02:01:57,520
was a teachable moment for me and i'm

3231
02:02:01,030 --> 02:01:59,440
gonna learn from it and we're gonna roll

3232
02:02:04,470 --> 02:02:01,040
on and and

3233
02:02:06,709 --> 02:02:04,480
keep rolling with the show

3234
02:02:08,709 --> 02:02:06,719
yeah if we i gotta tell you this scott

3235
02:02:10,229 --> 02:02:08,719
next week if we need ratings i need you

3236
02:02:13,189 --> 02:02:10,239
to talk to erica cause i want her to

3237
02:02:14,870 --> 02:02:13,199
come on and show everybody her new alien

3238
02:02:16,950 --> 02:02:14,880
baby bump

3239
02:02:19,030 --> 02:02:16,960
right and we'll follow her alien

3240
02:02:21,350 --> 02:02:19,040
insemination because i think that would

3241
02:02:24,950 --> 02:02:21,360
get some views if erica luke suddenly

3242
02:02:26,870 --> 02:02:24,960
got inseminated by aliens

3243
02:02:28,629 --> 02:02:26,880
i wanna i wanna uh

3244
02:02:30,790 --> 02:02:28,639
we need the views right

3245
02:02:33,270 --> 02:02:30,800
yeah well

3246
02:02:34,790 --> 02:02:33,280
that'll bring him in

3247
02:02:37,030 --> 02:02:34,800
that'll bring him and rebecca turner

3248
02:02:39,589 --> 02:02:37,040
says no sarah adams is just a con woman

3249
02:02:41,109 --> 02:02:39,599
the other girl was just crazy maybe

3250
02:02:45,270 --> 02:02:41,119
maybe

3251
02:02:47,510 --> 02:02:45,280
yes the show is still posted it's still

3252
02:02:49,990 --> 02:02:47,520
there you can watch the train wreck of a

3253
02:02:52,550 --> 02:02:50,000
conspiracy land crazy train down a

3254
02:02:54,870 --> 02:02:52,560
rabbit hole like you've never heard

3255
02:02:56,229 --> 02:02:54,880
uh it's the that's the video previous to

3256
02:02:57,589 --> 02:02:56,239
this one it's right on our youtube

3257
02:02:59,350 --> 02:02:57,599
channel here

3258
02:03:01,270 --> 02:02:59,360
and uh the success is sharing erica

3259
02:03:02,790 --> 02:03:01,280
luke's channel where you can

3260
02:03:05,910 --> 02:03:02,800
uh find

3261
02:03:07,910 --> 02:03:05,920
scott doing ufos declassified i try to

3262
02:03:10,550 --> 02:03:07,920
catch up and listen they do some good

3263
02:03:12,870 --> 02:03:10,560
work they're very

3264
02:03:15,270 --> 02:03:12,880
evidence-based and thorough in their

3265
02:03:17,189 --> 02:03:15,280
coverage of any story which is i like i

3266
02:03:19,510 --> 02:03:17,199
know when i tune in for one it's going

3267
02:03:21,990 --> 02:03:19,520
to be a good

3268
02:03:23,669 --> 02:03:22,000
long form here's all the evidence here's

3269
02:03:25,990 --> 02:03:23,679
what we've dug into here's what we're

3270
02:03:27,270 --> 02:03:26,000
talking about tonight

3271
02:03:29,189 --> 02:03:27,280
and can you tell us a little bit about

3272
02:03:31,189 --> 02:03:29,199
your in the field reports that you do as

3273
02:03:33,430 --> 02:03:31,199
well

3274
02:03:35,189 --> 02:03:33,440
yeah so i just started this it's kind of

3275
02:03:36,870 --> 02:03:35,199
just a

3276
02:03:39,990 --> 02:03:36,880
i got a friend of mine that lives here

3277
02:03:43,910 --> 02:03:40,000
in town we've been friends for uh i

3278
02:03:48,390 --> 02:03:45,270
and so

3279
02:03:50,069 --> 02:03:48,400
i never realized that he had an interest

3280
02:03:53,669 --> 02:03:50,079
in the subject

3281
02:03:56,310 --> 02:03:53,679
and so i happened to mention to him

3282
02:03:57,270 --> 02:03:56,320
i think it was like maybe a couple years

3283
02:03:59,430 --> 02:03:57,280
ago

3284
02:04:01,589 --> 02:03:59,440
you know what i was doing online and how

3285
02:04:03,030 --> 02:04:01,599
i was involved

3286
02:04:04,470 --> 02:04:03,040
and that's when he came out with the

3287
02:04:07,030 --> 02:04:04,480
story and he said i was living in

3288
02:04:08,950 --> 02:04:07,040
phoenix i saw the phoenix lights i was

3289
02:04:12,229 --> 02:04:08,960
living out there at the time so he told

3290
02:04:13,030 --> 02:04:12,239
me the story and i was like holy [\h__\h]

3291
02:04:16,950 --> 02:04:13,040
so

3292
02:04:18,790 --> 02:04:16,960
show on my own

3293
02:04:22,390 --> 02:04:18,800
but i didn't want to do like an

3294
02:04:24,550 --> 02:04:22,400
interview show or a podcast

3295
02:04:27,030 --> 02:04:24,560
you know it's kind of

3296
02:04:28,550 --> 02:04:27,040
you know i'm already co-host with erica

3297
02:04:30,629 --> 02:04:28,560
so i kind of wanted to do something a

3298
02:04:33,350 --> 02:04:30,639
little bit different so

3299
02:04:36,229 --> 02:04:33,360
we keep it to the relevant news that's

3300
02:04:38,709 --> 02:04:36,239
going on um the episode that i'm editing

3301
02:04:41,030 --> 02:04:38,719
right now is going gonna touch on

3302
02:04:43,510 --> 02:04:41,040
uh albert einstein's

3303
02:04:44,709 --> 02:04:43,520
so-called assistant visiting roswell

3304
02:04:48,790 --> 02:04:44,719
with him

3305
02:04:49,589 --> 02:04:48,800
uh then we're gonna touch on um

3306
02:04:54,229 --> 02:04:49,599
the

3307
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:54,239
south china sea

3308
02:04:59,270 --> 02:04:56,480
uh we do a little bit about the the

3309
02:05:01,990 --> 02:04:59,280
dolce new mexico base

3310
02:05:04,470 --> 02:05:02,000
um you know so i want to try to keep it

3311
02:05:06,390 --> 02:05:04,480
to the relevant things that are going on

3312
02:05:07,990 --> 02:05:06,400
in ufology

3313
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:08,000
you know and just it's just kind of a

3314
02:05:13,189 --> 02:05:10,880
casual conversation between me and him

3315
02:05:15,669 --> 02:05:13,199
i'm trying to keep it factual

3316
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:15,679
trying to show images to illustrate the

3317
02:05:18,390 --> 02:05:17,040
case

3318
02:05:20,870 --> 02:05:18,400
and um

3319
02:05:23,109 --> 02:05:20,880
you know i'm keeping it short i mean no

3320
02:05:24,870 --> 02:05:23,119
longer than yeah i got to tell you the

3321
02:05:27,270 --> 02:05:24,880
truth in that i catch more of those than

3322
02:05:28,870 --> 02:05:27,280
the ufos declassified because you you

3323
02:05:30,149 --> 02:05:28,880
keep them a little you keep those a

3324
02:05:31,830 --> 02:05:30,159
little shorter

3325
02:05:34,950 --> 02:05:31,840
and i did listen to that episode where

3326
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:34,960
he was talking about the phoenix lights

3327
02:05:39,430 --> 02:05:36,560
original witness to that and i found

3328
02:05:42,069 --> 02:05:39,440
that pretty fascinating great case

3329
02:05:44,709 --> 02:05:42,079
you know yeah and he

3330
02:05:47,350 --> 02:05:44,719
he actually grew up around military

3331
02:05:49,030 --> 02:05:47,360
bases his father was a marine

3332
02:05:51,669 --> 02:05:49,040
and so he

3333
02:05:53,750 --> 02:05:51,679
got heavily into

3334
02:05:56,229 --> 02:05:53,760
being able to identify something in the

3335
02:05:58,550 --> 02:05:56,239
sky he could tell what kind of aircraft

3336
02:06:01,669 --> 02:05:58,560
it was where it came from

3337
02:06:04,629 --> 02:06:01,679
um you know and he got deep into that so

3338
02:06:06,390 --> 02:06:04,639
when he saw the phoenix lights

3339
02:06:08,870 --> 02:06:06,400
which are not

3340
02:06:10,709 --> 02:06:08,880
the ones that you see on video that pop

3341
02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:10,719
on across the sky

3342
02:06:16,629 --> 02:06:13,119
that's completely different what this

3343
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:16,639
was was a v-shaped object and i believe

3344
02:06:22,870 --> 02:06:19,840
there's only one like 10 second video of

3345
02:06:25,510 --> 02:06:22,880
it that someone caught and it's the only

3346
02:06:27,350 --> 02:06:25,520
piece of footage that exists and this is

3347
02:06:29,669 --> 02:06:27,360
exactly what he saw

3348
02:06:33,109 --> 02:06:29,679
he it passed over them slowly it was

3349
02:06:34,870 --> 02:06:33,119
five lights one on the tip two on each

3350
02:06:37,189 --> 02:06:34,880
you know extension

3351
02:06:40,069 --> 02:06:37,199
and it slowly passed over them and he

3352
02:06:42,950 --> 02:06:40,079
said the same thing that it was huge

3353
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:42,960
it was blocking out the stars in between

3354
02:06:46,950 --> 02:06:44,480
whatever kind of structure was in

3355
02:06:49,750 --> 02:06:46,960
between yeah so could have been players

3356
02:06:52,790 --> 02:06:49,760
yeah and he said you know he knew about

3357
02:06:54,790 --> 02:06:52,800
the flare theory to just to

3358
02:06:57,189 --> 02:06:54,800
describe the other piece of footage and

3359
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:57,199
he said this was not flares

3360
02:07:02,229 --> 02:06:59,920
so he was describing

3361
02:07:05,189 --> 02:07:02,239
that rare piece of footage that's out

3362
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:05,199
there it's out there on the internet

3363
02:07:07,910 --> 02:07:06,719
but a lot of people famous piece of

3364
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:07,920
footage because you're right it's like

3365
02:07:12,069 --> 02:07:09,920
the only good you know yeah they they

3366
02:07:13,589 --> 02:07:12,079
don't refer to it very much they're

3367
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:13,599
always looking at the other one with the

3368
02:07:19,350 --> 02:07:17,199
lights turning on one at a time

3369
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:19,360
you know it's been debunked as the

3370
02:07:24,229 --> 02:07:21,360
flares dropping down behind the hill and

3371
02:07:26,550 --> 02:07:24,239
they match the mountains to it and you

3372
02:07:28,870 --> 02:07:26,560
know so

3373
02:07:32,870 --> 02:07:28,880
yeah but yeah we're gonna keep doing the

3374
02:07:34,870 --> 02:07:32,880
the the news and commentary and um

3375
02:07:36,950 --> 02:07:34,880
you know if anybody's interested please

3376
02:07:39,990 --> 02:07:36,960
subscribe i mean i don't even have a

3377
02:07:42,229 --> 02:07:40,000
thousand subscribers but we enjoy doing

3378
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:42,239
it we're gonna yeah it's a labor of love

3379
02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:44,960
until until it you know

3380
02:07:49,910 --> 02:07:47,920
starts ballooning up right and yeah and

3381
02:07:51,669 --> 02:07:49,920
we're gonna try to um

3382
02:07:52,550 --> 02:07:51,679
incorporate

3383
02:07:53,990 --> 02:07:52,560
um

3384
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:54,000
what we're working on is a full

3385
02:07:59,030 --> 02:07:56,400
documentary about stella lansing she

3386
02:08:01,109 --> 02:07:59,040
lived right here in town with me

3387
02:08:03,589 --> 02:08:01,119
um she's a famous case they did an

3388
02:08:04,950 --> 02:08:03,599
episode of sightings about her

3389
02:08:06,790 --> 02:08:04,960
i remember that one

3390
02:08:09,030 --> 02:08:06,800
and then also

3391
02:08:11,109 --> 02:08:09,040
um we're going to do i'm going to

3392
02:08:13,350 --> 02:08:11,119
incorporate the footage that we shoot at

3393
02:08:15,350 --> 02:08:13,360
night so if i catch any anomalies with

3394
02:08:16,790 --> 02:08:15,360
the infrared cameras we're going to

3395
02:08:18,229 --> 02:08:16,800
throw it out i'd be interested to see

3396
02:08:21,109 --> 02:08:18,239
that yeah

3397
02:08:23,189 --> 02:08:21,119
yeah so you know we're i'm kind of just

3398
02:08:25,270 --> 02:08:23,199
throwing it all together and

3399
02:08:27,910 --> 02:08:25,280
trying to keep it on the one show half

3400
02:08:28,950 --> 02:08:27,920
hour format boom you know we're out of

3401
02:08:30,709 --> 02:08:28,960
there

3402
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:30,719
yeah i like it though because it's dense

3403
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:32,320
and packed with information and you get

3404
02:08:35,510 --> 02:08:33,599
it quick so

3405
02:08:37,270 --> 02:08:35,520
yeah but i like i like erica's show too

3406
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:37,280
but i just i gotta do that when i have

3407
02:08:40,790 --> 02:08:39,119
more time i've been catching up on

3408
02:08:42,870 --> 02:08:40,800
podcasts i like when i drive to the

3409
02:08:45,830 --> 02:08:42,880
cabin or shows that i like you know i

3410
02:08:46,790 --> 02:08:45,840
just put them on the audio only and and

3411
02:08:48,790 --> 02:08:46,800
you know

3412
02:08:51,189 --> 02:08:48,800
it's a two-hour drive to the cabin so i

3413
02:08:51,910 --> 02:08:51,199
got four hours every week there and back

3414
02:08:58,550 --> 02:08:51,920
to

3415
02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:58,560
helps me catch up on what's going on out

3416
02:09:03,669 --> 02:09:01,360
there right yeah

3417
02:09:05,750 --> 02:09:03,679
and the and the the

3418
02:09:07,830 --> 02:09:05,760
the cabin's coming out good

3419
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:07,840
that looks yeah i've been i gotta finish

3420
02:09:12,149 --> 02:09:10,320
this i just finished the sunroom floor

3421
02:09:13,910 --> 02:09:12,159
and i'm i'm trying to button that thing

3422
02:09:15,270 --> 02:09:13,920
up before winter i got a little bit more

3423
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:15,280
to do

3424
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:17,920
yeah there's a stove in right i got the

3425
02:09:22,629 --> 02:09:20,320
stove well i have it on the

3426
02:09:24,709 --> 02:09:22,639
i have to finish the piping but it's

3427
02:09:26,629 --> 02:09:24,719
almost yeah it's like 20 minutes from

3428
02:09:28,390 --> 02:09:26,639
being half hour from being done i had to

3429
02:09:30,390 --> 02:09:28,400
get some parts because it's going to tee

3430
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:30,400
into the one that's in the kitchen

3431
02:09:36,149 --> 02:09:33,440
and go up and out the top of the roof

3432
02:09:38,629 --> 02:09:36,159
and then i just got to wire it and fix

3433
02:09:40,069 --> 02:09:38,639
the doors i did a terrible job on on

3434
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:40,079
putting the doors in the frames because

3435
02:09:44,870 --> 02:09:42,639
i hate doors and hinges and i'm there by

3436
02:09:47,350 --> 02:09:44,880
myself so to hang a door i have to like

3437
02:09:49,109 --> 02:09:47,360
put books under it right and hope it's

3438
02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:49,119
the right one yeah and

3439
02:09:53,589 --> 02:09:51,360
then it's not quite right so then i got

3440
02:09:54,790 --> 02:09:53,599
to take it off and try it again and yeah

3441
02:09:56,950 --> 02:09:54,800
i might have a neighbor that's going to

3442
02:09:57,830 --> 02:09:56,960
help me hang both doors right

3443
02:10:00,390 --> 02:09:57,840
and

3444
02:10:02,069 --> 02:10:00,400
i'm glad for that though because that's

3445
02:10:04,069 --> 02:10:02,079
rough the winners there are so rough

3446
02:10:05,750 --> 02:10:04,079
that that'll be a thermal oven on the

3447
02:10:08,390 --> 02:10:05,760
south facing wall

3448
02:10:09,990 --> 02:10:08,400
all winter long and it should it should

3449
02:10:11,510 --> 02:10:10,000
provide free heat for the rest of the

3450
02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:11,520
cabin we're gonna have a door between

3451
02:10:17,430 --> 02:10:12,639
the cabin

3452
02:10:18,950 --> 02:10:17,440
greenhouse room so

3453
02:10:20,950 --> 02:10:18,960
you know when it's during the day if

3454
02:10:23,669 --> 02:10:20,960
it's warm in there i'll open the door

3455
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:23,679
you know it always close the door is it

3456
02:10:28,870 --> 02:10:26,159
a a regular wood stove or is it a pellet

3457
02:10:30,709 --> 02:10:28,880
stove oh no it's regular wood because i

3458
02:10:32,790 --> 02:10:30,719
i'm not buying wood pellets we have wood

3459
02:10:34,790 --> 02:10:32,800
we're in the woods everywhere and people

3460
02:10:37,030 --> 02:10:34,800
yeah that's true there's always fallen

3461
02:10:38,790 --> 02:10:37,040
trees i've got four or five standing

3462
02:10:41,109 --> 02:10:38,800
dead trees that i'm sure are dead

3463
02:10:43,189 --> 02:10:41,119
they're just and i have kids so i don't

3464
02:10:44,870 --> 02:10:43,199
really the standing dead trees i try to

3465
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:44,880
take down because you don't know when

3466
02:10:48,709 --> 02:10:46,480
it's going to fall if you don't take it

3467
02:10:50,950 --> 02:10:48,719
down you know right and it's already

3468
02:10:54,390 --> 02:10:50,960
dead so i don't feel like bad about

3469
02:10:56,790 --> 02:10:54,400
taking it for firewood it's dead

3470
02:10:58,709 --> 02:10:56,800
and a lot of that cabin was built just

3471
02:10:59,990 --> 02:10:58,719
out of the trees from my land the ones

3472
02:11:01,510 --> 02:11:00,000
that have fallen you know when i got

3473
02:11:03,669 --> 02:11:01,520
there there was a bunch of trees in the

3474
02:11:05,430 --> 02:11:03,679
woods that had fallen there was a bunch

3475
02:11:07,109 --> 02:11:05,440
of standing dead ones so we started

3476
02:11:09,189 --> 02:11:07,119
harvesting them and dragging them back

3477
02:11:11,990 --> 02:11:09,199
to the cabin building site

3478
02:11:13,669 --> 02:11:12,000
and uh there's been a love of of my life

3479
02:11:15,750 --> 02:11:13,679
i always wanted to build a cabin like

3480
02:11:17,430 --> 02:11:15,760
that so i had my whole life to dream

3481
02:11:18,790 --> 02:11:17,440
about it that the people are like it's

3482
02:11:21,270 --> 02:11:18,800
coming out great i'm like i've been

3483
02:11:23,990 --> 02:11:21,280
designing this thing in my brain for 20

3484
02:11:25,270 --> 02:11:24,000
years so now it's just the physical part

3485
02:11:27,910 --> 02:11:25,280
of it you know

3486
02:11:31,030 --> 02:11:27,920
now the now the the slices that you're

3487
02:11:33,109 --> 02:11:31,040
putting in the floor right

3488
02:11:34,790 --> 02:11:33,119
so

3489
02:11:36,470 --> 02:11:34,800
are you cut you're cutting all them

3490
02:11:39,030 --> 02:11:36,480
slices yourself

3491
02:11:41,350 --> 02:11:39,040
yeah with a chain with a chainsaw oh so

3492
02:11:43,750 --> 02:11:41,360
it's like a big big cherry tree you know

3493
02:11:45,990 --> 02:11:43,760
like about this big you know big around

3494
02:11:48,470 --> 02:11:46,000
cherry tree and i just i put something

3495
02:11:50,149 --> 02:11:48,480
under each side of the tree and just

3496
02:11:52,069 --> 02:11:50,159
slice it as i go

3497
02:11:53,669 --> 02:11:52,079
all the way down the whole it was a

3498
02:11:55,189 --> 02:11:53,679
whole cherry tree and that actually fell

3499
02:11:57,189 --> 02:11:55,199
on a storm

3500
02:11:59,990 --> 02:11:57,199
and i i remember it was kind of a pissed

3501
02:12:01,270 --> 02:12:00,000
when it fell because i liked that tree

3502
02:12:03,750 --> 02:12:01,280
you know

3503
02:12:05,109 --> 02:12:03,760
it was just a nice tree it was beautiful

3504
02:12:07,270 --> 02:12:05,119
the cherry tree

3505
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:07,280
and so it fell and then i remember

3506
02:12:11,589 --> 02:12:09,840
looking at the grain of the wood

3507
02:12:13,910 --> 02:12:11,599
after it fell you could see it from the

3508
02:12:15,750 --> 02:12:13,920
stump you know where it fell

3509
02:12:17,510 --> 02:12:15,760
and i said that grain of that what is

3510
02:12:19,669 --> 02:12:17,520
beautiful i'm not gonna use this for

3511
02:12:21,589 --> 02:12:19,679
firewood i'm gonna do something with it

3512
02:12:24,069 --> 02:12:21,599
and now it's gonna stay at the cabin

3513
02:12:25,750 --> 02:12:24,079
forever it's the floor

3514
02:12:27,750 --> 02:12:25,760
so those don't know we put these log

3515
02:12:30,069 --> 02:12:27,760
rounds down on the floor and then cement

3516
02:12:32,310 --> 02:12:30,079
yeah it looks it looks really cool yeah

3517
02:12:34,470 --> 02:12:32,320
it's another nice weird cool feature we

3518
02:12:36,390 --> 02:12:34,480
have a stone shower stall there that i

3519
02:12:38,470 --> 02:12:36,400
built we have stone hearths we have a

3520
02:12:40,550 --> 02:12:38,480
stone floor in the one room

3521
02:12:43,589 --> 02:12:40,560
and now we have this uh

3522
02:12:45,430 --> 02:12:43,599
we have this round log

3523
02:12:48,069 --> 02:12:45,440
floor i don't know what you would call

3524
02:12:49,589 --> 02:12:48,079
it

3525
02:12:51,589 --> 02:12:49,599
now you're

3526
02:12:53,669 --> 02:12:51,599
are you on the east coast too

3527
02:12:55,350 --> 02:12:53,679
yeah i'm i'm in pennsylvania i used to

3528
02:12:57,350 --> 02:12:55,360
live in philadelphia but now we live in

3529
02:12:59,589 --> 02:12:57,360
warminster which is a suburb of

3530
02:13:02,069 --> 02:12:59,599
philadelphia it's very nice here

3531
02:13:04,550 --> 02:13:02,079
because the city was getting crazy yeah

3532
02:13:06,790 --> 02:13:04,560
it was getting to be just where we lived

3533
02:13:09,430 --> 02:13:06,800
it was junky city and people would break

3534
02:13:11,430 --> 02:13:09,440
in your car every day to steal nothing

3535
02:13:13,109 --> 02:13:11,440
you know or god forbid you leave

3536
02:13:15,109 --> 02:13:13,119
anything in your car of value they'll

3537
02:13:16,950 --> 02:13:15,119
break your window to get it it was

3538
02:13:18,229 --> 02:13:16,960
terrible so we decided to move and i

3539
02:13:20,390 --> 02:13:18,239
have kids so

3540
02:13:22,229 --> 02:13:20,400
you know and my youngest son is like

3541
02:13:24,390 --> 02:13:22,239
daddy why is this guy camping at

3542
02:13:26,390 --> 02:13:24,400
7-eleven you know you know i don't even

3543
02:13:28,229 --> 02:13:26,400
know what to say because he's a junkie i

3544
02:13:29,669 --> 02:13:28,239
don't know you know he's homeless you

3545
02:13:31,589 --> 02:13:29,679
know i try to explain to them some

3546
02:13:33,669 --> 02:13:31,599
people don't have a house

3547
02:13:35,510 --> 02:13:33,679
and then i think what did it for me is

3548
02:13:37,830 --> 02:13:35,520
one day i took my kid to the park and

3549
02:13:40,310 --> 02:13:37,840
there was needles all over the park

3550
02:13:42,629 --> 02:13:40,320
like used needles all over the park and

3551
02:13:44,229 --> 02:13:42,639
i just said it's time to move i'm not

3552
02:13:46,149 --> 02:13:44,239
living in a place where i have to worry

3553
02:13:48,390 --> 02:13:46,159
about my kids and needles

3554
02:13:50,310 --> 02:13:48,400
in a park you know you know the thing

3555
02:13:52,629 --> 02:13:50,320
that sucks is i'm

3556
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:52,639
the area that i live in is very really

3557
02:13:56,310 --> 02:13:54,719
rural i mean the the biggest i would

3558
02:13:58,149 --> 02:13:56,320
love that

3559
02:14:01,109 --> 02:13:58,159
there's probably the biggest city is

3560
02:14:01,830 --> 02:14:01,119
probably a half hour away from me

3561
02:14:04,629 --> 02:14:01,840
but

3562
02:14:07,589 --> 02:14:04,639
it's still a problem out here it's still

3563
02:14:10,629 --> 02:14:07,599
you know my best friend overdosed we

3564
02:14:14,229 --> 02:14:10,639
were best friends for 32 years and

3565
02:14:17,430 --> 02:14:14,239
he died in 2004 he overdosed and died

3566
02:14:20,149 --> 02:14:17,440
and um no i'm sorry to hear that yeah

3567
02:14:22,629 --> 02:14:20,159
it wasn't the the shocking part about it

3568
02:14:25,189 --> 02:14:22,639
is is that he was

3569
02:14:26,629 --> 02:14:25,199
one of the top athletes in the area

3570
02:14:28,550 --> 02:14:26,639
bodybuilder

3571
02:14:30,870 --> 02:14:28,560
gymnastics coach

3572
02:14:34,709 --> 02:14:30,880
i mean this was so

3573
02:14:36,470 --> 02:14:34,719
just out of the ordinary for him

3574
02:14:39,910 --> 02:14:36,480
and he

3575
02:14:41,910 --> 02:14:39,920
was bench pressing and his bicep let go

3576
02:14:43,750 --> 02:14:41,920
under the skin and rumpled up underneath

3577
02:14:45,510 --> 02:14:43,760
his skin so they had to pull it down

3578
02:14:46,470 --> 02:14:45,520
staple it to the

3579
02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:46,480
wow

3580
02:14:51,430 --> 02:14:49,360
so he was in a a sling for a while got

3581
02:14:53,109 --> 02:14:51,440
addicted to the pills and then moved on

3582
02:14:55,109 --> 02:14:53,119
to the harder stuff and he ended up

3583
02:14:56,310 --> 02:14:55,119
dying yeah a lot of people get addicted

3584
02:14:58,390 --> 02:14:56,320
to the pills and then when the

3585
02:15:00,390 --> 02:14:58,400
prescription runs out they try to buy

3586
02:15:01,990 --> 02:15:00,400
the pills on the black market but that

3587
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:02,000
gets very very expensive at ten or

3588
02:15:05,990 --> 02:15:04,320
twenty dollars a pill and you need four

3589
02:15:07,109 --> 02:15:06,000
of them you know or six of them or

3590
02:15:08,870 --> 02:15:07,119
whatever

3591
02:15:11,189 --> 02:15:08,880
and eventually people move on to heroin

3592
02:15:12,709 --> 02:15:11,199
because it's much cheaper the problem

3593
02:15:15,270 --> 02:15:12,719
the real problem with

3594
02:15:17,430 --> 02:15:15,280
opioid addiction right now is fentanyl

3595
02:15:19,910 --> 02:15:17,440
because fentanyl is so

3596
02:15:22,870 --> 02:15:19,920
dangerous you can take one shot of it

3597
02:15:24,870 --> 02:15:22,880
and die and overdose on it such a tiny

3598
02:15:27,109 --> 02:15:24,880
tiny tiny amount of fentanyl can kill

3599
02:15:28,470 --> 02:15:27,119
you like i i heard it said i'm not sure

3600
02:15:30,709 --> 02:15:28,480
if it's accurate but i've heard it said

3601
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:30,719
like the point of a pin

3602
02:15:36,390 --> 02:15:33,599
the size of the point of a pin

3603
02:15:37,990 --> 02:15:36,400
i haven't read that myself yeah so it's

3604
02:15:38,870 --> 02:15:38,000
very very dangerous

3605
02:15:41,270 --> 02:15:38,880
so

3606
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:41,280
scott what is next for you are you gonna

3607
02:15:43,830 --> 02:15:43,040
you're gonna continue this in the field

3608
02:15:46,229 --> 02:15:43,840
and

3609
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:46,239
ufo declassified you got any other stuff

3610
02:15:52,069 --> 02:15:48,079
coming up that you're working on

3611
02:15:53,669 --> 02:15:52,079
yeah well i mean like i said we're gonna

3612
02:15:55,910 --> 02:15:53,679
i'm trying to throw together this

3613
02:15:58,069 --> 02:15:55,920
documentary about stella lansing that

3614
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:58,079
i'm gonna use

3615
02:16:02,870 --> 02:16:00,719
within the realm of the ufo news and

3616
02:16:04,790 --> 02:16:02,880
commentary um

3617
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:04,800
and it's kind of tough because she

3618
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:06,480
passed away

3619
02:16:13,430 --> 02:16:10,480
uh back in 2012

3620
02:16:15,589 --> 02:16:13,440
um and i'm trying to seek out her

3621
02:16:16,870 --> 02:16:15,599
children who have moved away from the

3622
02:16:19,589 --> 02:16:16,880
area

3623
02:16:22,629 --> 02:16:19,599
um you know so it's kind of hard to

3624
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:22,639
track down sources and um

3625
02:16:25,910 --> 02:16:24,960
so we're gonna keep working at that and

3626
02:16:28,790 --> 02:16:25,920
uh

3627
02:16:31,589 --> 02:16:28,800
i have um

3628
02:16:33,910 --> 02:16:31,599
i have another

3629
02:16:36,709 --> 02:16:33,920
documentary that i want to do

3630
02:16:38,549 --> 02:16:36,719
and it's about a man in the town over

3631
02:16:39,509 --> 02:16:38,559
from here

3632
02:16:41,589 --> 02:16:39,519
um

3633
02:16:43,990 --> 02:16:41,599
that they wrote a book about i think

3634
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:44,000
it's called satan's harvest

3635
02:16:50,389 --> 02:16:47,760
uh in in the 1980s he was a farmer

3636
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:50,399
um claiming that he was possessed

3637
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:52,080
uh they have

3638
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:54,240
written affidavits from the priests in

3639
02:16:58,629 --> 02:16:56,000
the area that went to his house and

3640
02:17:00,870 --> 02:16:58,639
there was all poltergeist activity

3641
02:17:02,709 --> 02:17:00,880
oh that sounds like a great story to me

3642
02:17:05,110 --> 02:17:02,719
yeah so what we're gonna do is i'm

3643
02:17:06,230 --> 02:17:05,120
trying to get permission

3644
02:17:08,790 --> 02:17:06,240
to

3645
02:17:11,030 --> 02:17:08,800
sit right at the property where the

3646
02:17:12,709 --> 02:17:11,040
house where it happened and we're gonna

3647
02:17:15,669 --> 02:17:12,719
do this show right from there and it's

3648
02:17:17,509 --> 02:17:15,679
gonna revolve around that case the whole

3649
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:17,519
episode is going to that sounds like my

3650
02:17:23,750 --> 02:17:20,479
kind of story i'm i'm i'm i'm jealous

3651
02:17:26,549 --> 02:17:23,760
that i didn't yeah it's it's it's first

3652
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:26,559
they followed it in the boston paper for

3653
02:17:31,669 --> 02:17:29,280
months and months and months it went on

3654
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:31,679
and they turned it into a book later on

3655
02:17:34,629 --> 02:17:32,399
and

3656
02:17:37,270 --> 02:17:34,639
um oh you know what's funny i think this

3657
02:17:39,110 --> 02:17:37,280
is cedric taylor is here the urban

3658
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:39,120
entity you never know who's going to be

3659
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:40,559
in my live chat

3660
02:17:45,990 --> 02:17:43,200
and cedric is is the mentalist magician

3661
02:17:48,629 --> 02:17:46,000
that i sent to that fraud fake healer

3662
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:48,639
who and he pretended to be uh a cancer

3663
02:17:52,469 --> 02:17:50,399
patient and by the way

3664
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:52,479
i'm clipping i'm clipping that part of

3665
02:17:58,230 --> 02:17:54,639
the show where i explain how we pumped

3666
02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:58,240
her the fraud psychic healer and that's

3667
02:18:02,309 --> 02:18:00,639
going to be up later on tonight on on

3668
02:18:04,950 --> 02:18:02,319
our channel here so i'll send it to you

3669
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:04,960
when we get it cedric taylor the urban

3670
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:06,960
entity he's amazing scott brown he can

3671
02:18:10,950 --> 02:18:09,040
hypnotize you and make you do anything

3672
02:18:13,190 --> 02:18:10,960
he wants i'm not kidding you i've seen

3673
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:13,200
him do it

3674
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:14,880
well

3675
02:18:21,830 --> 02:18:18,880
he can hypnotize me and uh you know

3676
02:18:25,669 --> 02:18:21,840
tell me how to make a million dollars

3677
02:18:30,549 --> 02:18:27,030
i don't know why but somebody was

3678
02:18:32,870 --> 02:18:30,559
commenting in the live chat

3679
02:18:35,429 --> 02:18:32,880
listen look at this scott brown this is

3680
02:18:36,870 --> 02:18:35,439
how rumors start stephen must be rolling

3681
02:18:38,870 --> 02:18:36,880
in the dough what did you do for a

3682
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:38,880
living before you retired see people

3683
02:18:42,709 --> 02:18:40,880
here i have a cabin right and they think

3684
02:18:44,629 --> 02:18:42,719
that i got all this money i've been

3685
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:44,639
building a cabin for three and a half

3686
02:18:47,429 --> 02:18:46,639
years i go there every weekend that i

3687
02:18:49,669 --> 02:18:47,439
can

3688
02:18:51,030 --> 02:18:49,679
and i work like a dog ask anybody that

3689
02:18:53,429 --> 02:18:51,040
knows that

3690
02:18:54,790 --> 02:18:53,439
cabin i'm hand mixing cement like an

3691
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:54,800
amish guy

3692
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:57,359
everything is by hand that can be

3693
02:18:59,830 --> 02:18:58,240
um

3694
02:19:02,950 --> 02:18:59,840
i didn't build that place with money i

3695
02:19:04,629 --> 02:19:02,960
built it with time and passion and edu

3696
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:04,639
and dedication and i'm certainly not

3697
02:19:09,110 --> 02:19:06,559
retired i try to work every day to make

3698
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:09,120
some money i have children to feed

3699
02:19:12,469 --> 02:19:10,880
you're rolling you're rolling in the

3700
02:19:15,030 --> 02:19:12,479
concrete steve

3701
02:19:16,709 --> 02:19:15,040
yeah and he also said that magicians and

3702
02:19:18,870 --> 02:19:16,719
performers don't make that kind of money

3703
02:19:20,709 --> 02:19:18,880
they do if they're smart magicians and

3704
02:19:22,790 --> 02:19:20,719
performers right

3705
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:22,800
i mean you'd be surprised what a stage

3706
02:19:27,910 --> 02:19:25,040
magician gets paid in a night

3707
02:19:29,509 --> 02:19:27,920
if it's a big venue you'd be you'd be

3708
02:19:31,509 --> 02:19:29,519
shocked at the money

3709
02:19:34,389 --> 02:19:31,519
in fact uh

3710
02:19:36,790 --> 02:19:34,399
my father was uh you know very not

3711
02:19:38,870 --> 02:19:36,800
supportive of that kind of stuff

3712
02:19:40,549 --> 02:19:38,880
doing magic [\h__\h] you get a real job that

3713
02:19:42,469 --> 02:19:40,559
you that's the joke you're not gonna do

3714
02:19:43,990 --> 02:19:42,479
that for money like

3715
02:19:46,389 --> 02:19:44,000
and then uh

3716
02:19:47,990 --> 02:19:46,399
you know i i got hired by somebody that

3717
02:19:50,630 --> 02:19:48,000
he knew to do a birthday party or

3718
02:19:52,630 --> 02:19:50,640
something like that and i got 300 bucks

3719
02:19:55,110 --> 02:19:52,640
to do like you know like a kid's

3720
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:55,120
birthday party and my dad was like

3721
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:56,560
i don't know what he may take home at

3722
02:20:01,590 --> 02:19:58,560
the time but it was something like 500

3723
02:20:04,150 --> 02:20:01,600
in a week you know and he went you were

3724
02:20:05,670 --> 02:20:04,160
only there for 40 minutes

3725
02:20:06,950 --> 02:20:05,680
they gave you 300

3726
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:06,960
and i said yeah

3727
02:20:09,990 --> 02:20:08,880
and after that my dad was a lot more

3728
02:20:10,870 --> 02:20:10,000
supportive

3729
02:20:12,070 --> 02:20:10,880
you know

3730
02:20:14,550 --> 02:20:12,080
well

3731
02:20:16,389 --> 02:20:14,560
i've i've been an artist since i was a

3732
02:20:18,469 --> 02:20:16,399
child so

3733
02:20:20,870 --> 02:20:18,479
a lot of the graphics that i do i have

3734
02:20:23,349 --> 02:20:20,880
the t-shirt site where i sell all my

3735
02:20:25,830 --> 02:20:23,359
designs on my shirts yeah

3736
02:20:28,870 --> 02:20:25,840
i do great artists he makes yeah i do

3737
02:20:31,910 --> 02:20:28,880
like logos for companies um

3738
02:20:33,190 --> 02:20:31,920
photo retouching any kind of artwork

3739
02:20:35,990 --> 02:20:33,200
that you

3740
02:20:37,110 --> 02:20:36,000
can think of i pretty much have done

3741
02:20:39,429 --> 02:20:37,120
and so

3742
02:20:42,070 --> 02:20:39,439
when i was younger

3743
02:20:43,910 --> 02:20:42,080
i was really into it and my my mother

3744
02:20:47,190 --> 02:20:43,920
kept pushing me you know she'd take me

3745
02:20:50,630 --> 02:20:47,200
to oil painting lessons and hand me you

3746
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:50,640
know pads and canvases and pencils and

3747
02:20:54,630 --> 02:20:52,720
and then there was my father who was

3748
02:20:56,710 --> 02:20:54,640
like you'll never make a living off of

3749
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,720
that you can't make a living being an

3750
02:21:01,670 --> 02:20:58,720
artist well

3751
02:21:03,349 --> 02:21:01,680
when i began to win contests

3752
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:03,359
the next thing you know the newspaper

3753
02:21:08,950 --> 02:21:06,640
comes i'm 12 years old they do a whole

3754
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:08,960
front page article about me

3755
02:21:13,670 --> 02:21:11,359
they put all my work on display at the

3756
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:13,680
bank in the center of town

3757
02:21:17,110 --> 02:21:16,000
well guess who's got his arm around his

3758
02:21:19,349 --> 02:21:17,120
son

3759
02:21:22,389 --> 02:21:19,359
yeah and he was proud of you yeah and

3760
02:21:24,389 --> 02:21:22,399
and you know it just kind of

3761
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:24,399
it kind of put a bad taste in my mouth

3762
02:21:28,630 --> 02:21:26,800
that he was only proud of me because you

3763
02:21:30,469 --> 02:21:28,640
know something like that was happening

3764
02:21:32,389 --> 02:21:30,479
but

3765
02:21:33,990 --> 02:21:32,399
what can you do i just know that my

3766
02:21:36,550 --> 02:21:34,000
father was shocked when he failed out

3767
02:21:40,070 --> 02:21:36,560
how much magicians can make in an hour

3768
02:21:42,710 --> 02:21:40,080
you know like he had no idea

3769
02:21:44,550 --> 02:21:42,720
he was kind of like pissed like

3770
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:44,560
how much you know like

3771
02:21:50,070 --> 02:21:45,520
yeah

3772
02:21:53,190 --> 02:21:50,080
those most people know like i had

3773
02:21:56,070 --> 02:21:53,200
sort of a computer repair and website

3774
02:21:58,630 --> 02:21:56,080
design sort of i.t business before the

3775
02:22:00,389 --> 02:21:58,640
pandemic but most of my stuff was

3776
02:22:02,950 --> 02:22:00,399
in-house repairs and nobody wants you in

3777
02:22:04,389 --> 02:22:02,960
their house so that went to crap and

3778
02:22:06,950 --> 02:22:04,399
i'm rolling with the punches and trying

3779
02:22:08,630 --> 02:22:06,960
to adjust and find new income streams

3780
02:22:10,790 --> 02:22:08,640
i can tell you this though i've worked

3781
02:22:13,429 --> 02:22:10,800
for myself for

3782
02:22:16,710 --> 02:22:13,439
well myself and my wife

3783
02:22:18,550 --> 02:22:16,720
and my children for seven years uh and a

3784
02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:18,560
lot of that was doing daddy daycare for

3785
02:22:22,150 --> 02:22:19,760
the boys

3786
02:22:23,990 --> 02:22:22,160
and working part-time doing my own

3787
02:22:25,990 --> 02:22:24,000
business i will never go back to working

3788
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:26,000
for somebody else ever again and i will

3789
02:22:30,309 --> 02:22:28,240
certainly never go back to a cubicle

3790
02:22:31,590 --> 02:22:30,319
never again yeah because

3791
02:22:33,349 --> 02:22:31,600
if you're

3792
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:33,359
you can make the same money working for

3793
02:22:38,230 --> 02:22:35,280
yourself but it's a lot more risky you

3794
02:22:41,590 --> 02:22:38,240
know yeah for me i mean i've i've been

3795
02:22:45,510 --> 02:22:43,590
so i've been looking for work i've been

3796
02:22:47,030 --> 02:22:45,520
trying to you know get what i can here

3797
02:22:50,790 --> 02:22:47,040
and there

3798
02:22:53,110 --> 02:22:50,800
i'm collecting you know um

3799
02:22:55,750 --> 02:22:53,120
and i ended up losing my job after seven

3800
02:22:57,270 --> 02:22:55,760
years of working for this company um oh

3801
02:22:59,190 --> 02:22:57,280
that's a tough pill to swallow i've been

3802
02:23:01,270 --> 02:22:59,200
there yeah so i've been

3803
02:23:02,950 --> 02:23:01,280
i i have a couple interviews coming up

3804
02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:02,960
this week hopefully something's gonna

3805
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:05,760
come through um well it's a it's a it's

3806
02:23:09,030 --> 02:23:08,240
a it's not an employer's market right

3807
02:23:10,630 --> 02:23:09,040
now

3808
02:23:13,270 --> 02:23:10,640
those

3809
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:13,280
there is so many open jobs right now

3810
02:23:17,349 --> 02:23:15,200
that they companies really have to be

3811
02:23:19,830 --> 02:23:17,359
competitive to get anybody good

3812
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:19,840
so you've got good good shot probably

3813
02:23:24,070 --> 02:23:22,479
right well the thing is for me

3814
02:23:25,270 --> 02:23:24,080
when i was younger

3815
02:23:28,150 --> 02:23:25,280
i could get

3816
02:23:30,870 --> 02:23:28,160
10 interviews in two days

3817
02:23:33,429 --> 02:23:30,880
yeah now i'm getting interviews but i'm

3818
02:23:36,070 --> 02:23:33,439
not getting hired and so i believe it's

3819
02:23:38,469 --> 02:23:36,080
because of my age

3820
02:23:39,590 --> 02:23:38,479
that you know they want somebody younger

3821
02:23:42,150 --> 02:23:39,600
they know that you're going to be

3822
02:23:43,510 --> 02:23:42,160
retiring in a few years

3823
02:23:44,550 --> 02:23:43,520
you know so

3824
02:23:47,830 --> 02:23:44,560
i'm going to be

3825
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i'll be 57 this year

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so

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ageism in hiring and i mean they don't

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02:23:57,510 --> 02:23:54,960
you know if they younger people will

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02:24:00,309 --> 02:23:57,520
work for cheaper too usually right right

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02:24:02,389 --> 02:24:00,319
and they don't want to you know if if

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02:24:03,830 --> 02:24:02,399
they don't feel like hiring you because

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02:24:05,990 --> 02:24:03,840
of your age

3833
02:24:08,630 --> 02:24:06,000
it's almost virtually impossible to

3834
02:24:10,309 --> 02:24:08,640
prove age discrimination

3835
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:10,319
because they can just say you're not the

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02:24:13,830 --> 02:24:12,160
right candidate

3837
02:24:15,910 --> 02:24:13,840
when in the meantime they're actually

3838
02:24:17,750 --> 02:24:15,920
not hiring you because you're older you

3839
02:24:21,510 --> 02:24:17,760
know so

3840
02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:21,520
yeah ageism sucks yeah you're right

3841
02:24:25,670 --> 02:24:23,680
yeah yeah well i wish you the best of

3842
02:24:28,070 --> 02:24:25,680
luck i want to thank you again for doing

3843
02:24:29,510 --> 02:24:28,080
this i we're way over time here and i

3844
02:24:31,270 --> 02:24:29,520
did i just looked at the clock i didn't

3845
02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:31,280
even realize it see how i'm sorry to

3846
02:24:35,270 --> 02:24:33,760
keep you here so long time

3847
02:24:37,510 --> 02:24:35,280
when you're talking to somebody with

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02:24:38,550 --> 02:24:37,520
great similar interests and we have a

3849
02:24:40,230 --> 02:24:38,560
lot of them

3850
02:24:41,990 --> 02:24:40,240
in common i hope you won't be a stranger

3851
02:24:44,309 --> 02:24:42,000
and come back and i'm going to ask erica

3852
02:24:45,429 --> 02:24:44,319
to do this as well i'm trying to get her

3853
02:24:47,349 --> 02:24:45,439
in here

3854
02:24:49,910 --> 02:24:47,359
but i still

3855
02:24:52,230 --> 02:24:49,920
i love talking steve

3856
02:24:53,590 --> 02:24:52,240
yeah yeah she's a great she's she's an

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02:24:55,590 --> 02:24:53,600
interesting girl i've talked to her a

3858
02:24:57,190 --> 02:24:55,600
few times on the phone and things about

3859
02:24:59,349 --> 02:24:57,200
that you know we were going back and

3860
02:25:01,030 --> 02:24:59,359
forth with this anjali thing rebecca

3861
02:25:02,870 --> 02:25:01,040
turner says good show stephen thank you

3862
02:25:03,670 --> 02:25:02,880
very much i'm going to throw you out of

3863
02:25:05,830 --> 02:25:03,680
here

3864
02:25:07,590 --> 02:25:05,840
but i will be in touch maybe we can have

3865
02:25:09,510 --> 02:25:07,600
you come back and give us an update on

3866
02:25:11,349 --> 02:25:09,520
your documentary projects and some other

3867
02:25:13,510 --> 02:25:11,359
things after a little while

3868
02:25:15,830 --> 02:25:13,520
i really like that sounds good

3869
02:25:18,230 --> 02:25:15,840
all right and i'm gonna uh we're putting

3870
02:25:19,510 --> 02:25:18,240
your clothing website in the live chat

3871
02:25:21,910 --> 02:25:19,520
we're gonna put your

3872
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:21,920
youtube channels in the live chat people

3873
02:25:25,510 --> 02:25:23,520
i encourage you

3874
02:25:27,429 --> 02:25:25,520
to go and subscribe

3875
02:25:29,510 --> 02:25:27,439
uh here's the skype

3876
02:25:31,670 --> 02:25:29,520
channel and there's the erica luke's

3877
02:25:34,389 --> 02:25:31,680
youtube channel and we've got

3878
02:25:36,150 --> 02:25:34,399
uh your ufo clothing i'm gonna order

3879
02:25:37,910 --> 02:25:36,160
some shirts that i could wear on the

3880
02:25:40,309 --> 02:25:37,920
show because i could use some new shirts

3881
02:25:42,150 --> 02:25:40,319
and i like ufos and

3882
02:25:43,750 --> 02:25:42,160
scott does great artwork on a lot of

3883
02:25:46,070 --> 02:25:43,760
them as well so

3884
02:25:48,309 --> 02:25:46,080
it's it's really really

3885
02:25:49,590 --> 02:25:48,319
i like that kind of stuff all right so

3886
02:25:52,309 --> 02:25:49,600
i'm going to throw you out of here thank

3887
02:25:54,389 --> 02:25:52,319
you for doing this i appreciate you you

3888
02:25:56,469 --> 02:25:54,399
lending us your time and your and your

3889
02:25:59,510 --> 02:25:56,479
attention and and sharing with us some

3890
02:26:01,750 --> 02:25:59,520
of your uh research and experiences

3891
02:26:04,389 --> 02:26:01,760
yeah thank you very much stephen all

3892
02:26:06,950 --> 02:26:04,399
right you have a good night

3893
02:26:09,190 --> 02:26:06,960
well there we have it another ufo report

3894
02:26:11,110 --> 02:26:09,200
is in the books with our friend scott

3895
02:26:13,590 --> 02:26:11,120
brown from both ufo

3896
02:26:15,830 --> 02:26:13,600
ufos declassified with erica luke's and

3897
02:26:18,469 --> 02:26:15,840
his in the field reports

3898
02:26:21,510 --> 02:26:18,479
i encourage you to check out his work

3899
02:26:24,630 --> 02:26:21,520
uh big fat we're gonna now i'm gonna i'm

3900
02:26:26,550 --> 02:26:24,640
gonna dedicate uh

3901
02:26:28,389 --> 02:26:26,560
my total time and attention to the live

3902
02:26:30,389 --> 02:26:28,399
chat because i do realize that we have

3903
02:26:32,950 --> 02:26:30,399
been light on that and some people have

3904
02:26:35,590 --> 02:26:32,960
noticed and some people have

3905
02:26:37,429 --> 02:26:35,600
uh commented like you haven't been

3906
02:26:38,870 --> 02:26:37,439
taking as many comments or questions

3907
02:26:41,349 --> 02:26:38,880
we're way over time here but i'm going

3908
02:26:43,429 --> 02:26:41,359
to take any northern ufos says

3909
02:26:44,710 --> 02:26:43,439
stevenslamp is priceless i get that i'm

3910
02:26:48,309 --> 02:26:44,720
trying to figure out how to bottle it

3911
02:26:51,190 --> 02:26:48,319
and sell it because everybody likes it

3912
02:26:53,910 --> 02:26:51,200
and uh big fat creep says get lord back

3913
02:26:56,230 --> 02:26:53,920
for round two sounds fun i

3914
02:26:58,550 --> 02:26:56,240
don't think so

3915
02:27:00,710 --> 02:26:58,560
cedric talks entertainment just subbed

3916
02:27:02,230 --> 02:27:00,720
good to hear that cedric uh and i'm

3917
02:27:03,270 --> 02:27:02,240
gonna be sharing that video later

3918
02:27:05,190 --> 02:27:03,280
tonight we're gonna have a new

3919
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:05,200
production video hopefully

3920
02:27:08,870 --> 02:27:06,800
i don't know why but the thing crashed

3921
02:27:10,389 --> 02:27:08,880
when it was rendering earlier and i

3922
02:27:12,550 --> 02:27:10,399
forgot to save it so now i have to

3923
02:27:14,950 --> 02:27:12,560
re-edit it

3924
02:27:16,710 --> 02:27:14,960
uh it's it's not a lot of edits but it's

3925
02:27:19,830 --> 02:27:16,720
still not good when your video editor

3926
02:27:21,750 --> 02:27:19,840
crashes as it's rendering something that

3927
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:21,760
means i gotta rebuild it but i have all

3928
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:24,160
the component pieces so it i should i

3929
02:27:29,190 --> 02:27:26,720
should be up tonight if not tomorrow

3930
02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:29,200
and that will be a

3931
02:27:31,750 --> 02:27:30,720
another video

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02:27:34,309 --> 02:27:31,760
where we

3933
02:27:36,230 --> 02:27:34,319
bust sarah or adam's fake super powers

3934
02:27:38,150 --> 02:27:36,240
and i tell the story of how we sent

3935
02:27:41,750 --> 02:27:38,160
cedric the entertainer

3936
02:27:44,309 --> 02:27:41,760
cedric taylor

3937
02:27:46,790 --> 02:27:44,319
the urban entity we sent him in to

3938
02:27:49,349 --> 02:27:46,800
pretend to be a terminal cancer patient

3939
02:27:52,389 --> 02:27:49,359
and this fake psychic healer bought it

3940
02:27:53,750 --> 02:27:52,399
hook line and sinker it's a great story

3941
02:27:56,230 --> 02:27:53,760
i thought it shouldn't be lost to

3942
02:27:58,070 --> 02:27:56,240
history it's a way old show and people

3943
02:27:59,349 --> 02:27:58,080
are missing it so we clipped that

3944
02:28:01,910 --> 02:27:59,359
portion out

3945
02:28:04,790 --> 02:28:01,920
put some nice music and graphics to it

3946
02:28:08,150 --> 02:28:04,800
um and i hear that kari is working on a

3947
02:28:11,590 --> 02:28:08,160
clip uh of another show

3948
02:28:13,830 --> 02:28:11,600
she's got 10 or 15 minutes

3949
02:28:16,550 --> 02:28:13,840
uh another great story that we wanted to

3950
02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:16,560
share in clip form so good to see

3951
02:28:21,590 --> 02:28:18,640
uh the urban entity here and i'd like to

3952
02:28:23,830 --> 02:28:21,600
get you on for a new interview cedric

3953
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:23,840
and we can talk about that uh your

3954
02:28:28,550 --> 02:28:26,000
undercover work busting fake psychics

3955
02:28:31,110 --> 02:28:28,560
with me and uh all your experiences

3956
02:28:33,429 --> 02:28:31,120
being a mentalist and hypnotist because

3957
02:28:34,309 --> 02:28:33,439
that is certainly interesting lee guy

3958
02:28:36,790 --> 02:28:34,319
says

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02:28:38,389 --> 02:28:36,800
merchandise idea truth seekers lingerie

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02:28:40,550 --> 02:28:38,399
don't think i haven't thought of that

3961
02:28:42,710 --> 02:28:40,560
and i want to

3962
02:28:45,910 --> 02:28:42,720
make sure that we

3963
02:28:47,510 --> 02:28:45,920
do two things i need to check in

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02:28:50,469 --> 02:28:47,520
with our

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02:28:52,870 --> 02:28:50,479
our uh hat we put a hat out every night

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02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:52,880
this is a viewer supported show and you

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02:28:58,469 --> 02:28:55,439
too uh can throw a couple of bucks in

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3969
02:29:01,590 --> 02:28:59,680
uh

3970
02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:01,600
yeah so

3971
02:29:04,469 --> 02:29:02,880
there's three ways that you could

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02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:04,479
support us the first is through patreon

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02:29:08,950 --> 02:29:06,000
for as little as a dollar a month you

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02:29:11,750 --> 02:29:08,960
can become a patreon member and we post

3975
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lots of behind the scenes stuff we do a

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02:29:15,349 --> 02:29:13,680
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3977
02:29:16,389 --> 02:29:15,359
sort of behind the scenes what's going

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i post some songs every month for the

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02:29:24,150 --> 02:29:21,200
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3982
02:29:28,790 --> 02:29:26,319
value your participation in the patreon

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02:29:30,230 --> 02:29:28,800
it's a dollar or more a month you decide

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02:29:31,830 --> 02:29:30,240
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02:29:32,950 --> 02:29:31,840
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02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:35,040
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bucks in our hat is of course

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down there in the live chat you just hit

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that right now

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i want to thank colley armstrong for

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uh we have marina

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i don't want to ruin your name

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marina oh i love that name marina too

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mavro genus

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what that is a great name marina mavro

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genus is here with a kind and generous

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dollar super chat donation mr cambio mr

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brown howdy steve i want to thank you

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for waking me up on travis

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02:31:13,590 --> 02:31:10,960
i was a believer and supporter from the

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02:31:15,910 --> 02:31:13,600
beginning so i felt betrayed yeah i

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02:31:18,710 --> 02:31:15,920
think a lot of us did fred and i'm sorry

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02:31:20,710 --> 02:31:18,720
to be the bearer of bad news i hate it

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02:31:22,550 --> 02:31:20,720
that that story came crashing down grew

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02:31:25,110 --> 02:31:22,560
up with it loved the story my whole life

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02:31:28,030 --> 02:31:25,120
but i don't want to believe in fairy

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tales ellen fox with a kind and generous

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guest thank you my pleasure ellen thank

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you for your kindness your generosity

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and your continued support we have

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leaked guy with the kind and generous

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02:31:45,110 --> 02:31:42,800
discovered angelie

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anjali and we did

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uh go and try to explain that she just

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02:31:53,270 --> 02:31:51,439
apparently came out of reddit and then

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02:31:55,190 --> 02:31:53,280
out of nowhere because of george knapp's

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article got very very popular very

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02:32:00,150 --> 02:31:57,840
quickly which i believe is a testament

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02:32:02,230 --> 02:32:00,160
to how hungry people are for any new

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02:32:04,790 --> 02:32:02,240
stories about aliens and ufos because

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02:32:06,550 --> 02:32:04,800
there's so few new stories it seems to

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02:32:08,469 --> 02:32:06,560
me that almost everybody involved in

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02:32:10,630 --> 02:32:08,479
covering ufos is always talking about

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things that happened years ago not

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things that happen right now

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cosmic neighbors

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kind and generous us 10 donation says

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praise the cash thank you ron for your

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lead guy with another one dollar 99 very

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generous of you

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uh pointing out my use of the term

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wackadoo

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very proud of that term uh some things

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are just wackadoo

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uh and then we have f graph 72 uh with a

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just the same for his kindness his

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i want to thank each and every one of

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crazy cash crazy cash raise the cash

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[Music]

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rates you guys crazy guys crazy cash

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[Music]

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so yes i want to thank everybody for

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02:34:22,070 --> 02:34:18,720
their kindness their generosity and

4101
02:34:24,389 --> 02:34:22,080
their support oh we got another one here

4102
02:34:26,469 --> 02:34:24,399
we missed you al worry or don't want to

4103
02:34:28,790 --> 02:34:26,479
miss you al warrior with a kind and

4104
02:34:31,349 --> 02:34:28,800
generous five dollar super chat who says

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02:34:33,429 --> 02:34:31,359
good luck the cash bro

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02:34:35,349 --> 02:34:33,439
praise the cash al warrior thank you for

4107
02:34:36,389 --> 02:34:35,359
your kindness your generosity and your

4108
02:34:38,790 --> 02:34:36,399
support

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02:34:39,750 --> 02:34:38,800
i knew you meant praise to cash i knew

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02:34:43,030 --> 02:34:39,760
it

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02:34:45,429 --> 02:34:43,040
i do want to take a moment to also

4112
02:34:46,950 --> 02:34:45,439
remind you that there is one other way

4113
02:34:48,070 --> 02:34:46,960
that you could really help us and

4114
02:34:50,070 --> 02:34:48,080
support us

4115
02:34:52,309 --> 02:34:50,080
because i know i say brother can you

4116
02:34:54,070 --> 02:34:52,319
spare a dollar but it's rough out there

4117
02:34:56,309 --> 02:34:54,080
which is why i'm here on the internet

4118
02:34:58,230 --> 02:34:56,319
begging for money

4119
02:35:00,389 --> 02:34:58,240
so uh the other way that you could

4120
02:35:03,750 --> 02:35:00,399
support us and it's just as important if

4121
02:35:07,110 --> 02:35:03,760
not more so is to be sure that you like

4122
02:35:09,030 --> 02:35:07,120
comment subscribe and share these video

4123
02:35:11,270 --> 02:35:09,040
links with your friends share our

4124
02:35:14,630 --> 02:35:11,280
channel link on your social media

4125
02:35:17,429 --> 02:35:14,640
uh and thanks for helping us grow

4126
02:35:19,910 --> 02:35:17,439
it's because of your help every time

4127
02:35:22,710 --> 02:35:19,920
somebody shares a truth seekers video a

4128
02:35:24,469 --> 02:35:22,720
stephen campion smiles i really do every

4129
02:35:27,270 --> 02:35:24,479
time i see somebody sharing something

4130
02:35:29,510 --> 02:35:27,280
retweeting something on facebook twitter

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02:35:31,990 --> 02:35:29,520
instagram wherever it may be

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02:35:33,590 --> 02:35:32,000
i'm happy to see that and i'm thankful

4133
02:35:35,349 --> 02:35:33,600
and i have an attitude of gratitude

4134
02:35:37,990 --> 02:35:35,359
because all of you who do that are

4135
02:35:40,150 --> 02:35:38,000
really helping and again

4136
02:35:42,389 --> 02:35:40,160
the youtube algorithm loves it when you

4137
02:35:43,910 --> 02:35:42,399
like comment and subscribe

4138
02:35:45,990 --> 02:35:43,920
on these videos

4139
02:35:46,950 --> 02:35:46,000
give it a thumbs up smash the thumbs up

4140
02:35:48,469 --> 02:35:46,960
button

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02:35:49,990 --> 02:35:48,479
uh and if you're not already a

4142
02:35:52,710 --> 02:35:50,000
subscriber

4143
02:35:54,389 --> 02:35:52,720
please do smash that subscribe button

4144
02:35:56,230 --> 02:35:54,399
and that notification bell

4145
02:35:57,990 --> 02:35:56,240
then you'll know when we're doing a show

4146
02:35:59,270 --> 02:35:58,000
here you'll get a notification shortly

4147
02:36:00,950 --> 02:35:59,280
before the show

4148
02:36:03,030 --> 02:36:00,960
and you'll get to come here and interact

4149
02:36:04,870 --> 02:36:03,040
with our live chat here

4150
02:36:06,790 --> 02:36:04,880
interaction is a big part of the live

4151
02:36:08,630 --> 02:36:06,800
chat and i also want to remind anybody

4152
02:36:10,950 --> 02:36:08,640
listening in audio podcast land you're

4153
02:36:12,630 --> 02:36:10,960
missing half the fun we record the shows

4154
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:12,640
live right here on youtube they get

4155
02:36:16,150 --> 02:36:14,960
broadcast to youtube twitch and facebook

4156
02:36:18,230 --> 02:36:16,160
live

4157
02:36:20,950 --> 02:36:18,240
so you can become part of the

4158
02:36:23,190 --> 02:36:20,960
conversation we want that we want that

4159
02:36:24,950 --> 02:36:23,200
interaction so if you're listening in

4160
02:36:27,590 --> 02:36:24,960
audio podcastly and you're listening to

4161
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:27,600
replays not the live version to

4162
02:36:30,469 --> 02:36:29,520
experience the live version and we want

4163
02:36:32,790 --> 02:36:30,479
you to

4164
02:36:35,110 --> 02:36:32,800
search the youtube search bar for truth

4165
02:36:36,870 --> 02:36:35,120
seekers one word look for me

4166
02:36:38,550 --> 02:36:36,880
the strange guy with the sunglasses your

4167
02:36:40,150 --> 02:36:38,560
host steven campion

4168
02:36:41,590 --> 02:36:40,160
and smash that

4169
02:36:43,750 --> 02:36:41,600
subscribe button

4170
02:36:46,150 --> 02:36:43,760
hit that notification bell and then you

4171
02:36:49,190 --> 02:36:46,160
too can come here and be a part of our

4172
02:36:50,790 --> 02:36:49,200
live chat when we record these shows you

4173
02:36:53,349 --> 02:36:50,800
can ask questions

4174
02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:53,359
you can offer your comments or your

4175
02:36:56,469 --> 02:36:54,880
thoughts on anything that we are

4176
02:36:59,030 --> 02:36:56,479
discussing here

4177
02:37:01,750 --> 02:36:59,040
uh it is a big part of our show here

4178
02:37:02,950 --> 02:37:01,760
that we have an interactive show

4179
02:37:05,030 --> 02:37:02,960
um

4180
02:37:07,349 --> 02:37:05,040
i'm also mentioned that we'll be

4181
02:37:09,349 --> 02:37:07,359
bringing back the live call-in show but

4182
02:37:11,590 --> 02:37:09,359
i have to say that

4183
02:37:14,230 --> 02:37:11,600
uh i'm gonna i'm gonna

4184
02:37:15,830 --> 02:37:14,240
cheat a little bit i'm gonna get i'm so

4185
02:37:18,150 --> 02:37:15,840
if you wanna do

4186
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:18,160
a call-in to ask me anything or talk

4187
02:37:22,230 --> 02:37:19,920
about anything you want

4188
02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:22,240
if you want to call into the show please

4189
02:37:27,510 --> 02:37:25,280
be sure to email me at truthseekershow

4190
02:37:31,030 --> 02:37:27,520
gmail.com and let me know a little bit

4191
02:37:35,510 --> 02:37:33,910
and i will take some calls not tonight

4192
02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:35,520
but we're going to start doing the calls

4193
02:37:40,790 --> 02:37:37,600
again uh i also have some great news

4194
02:37:42,309 --> 02:37:40,800
where uh we just aired our uh broadcast

4195
02:37:44,230 --> 02:37:42,319
with uh

4196
02:37:46,230 --> 02:37:44,240
stan gordon from the previous show that

4197
02:37:48,630 --> 02:37:46,240
i did the midnight hour and it was very

4198
02:37:50,950 --> 02:37:48,640
well received and people really enjoyed

4199
02:37:52,710 --> 02:37:50,960
stan talking about the kecksburg ufo

4200
02:37:54,230 --> 02:37:52,720
incident i have not talked to stan

4201
02:37:56,389 --> 02:37:54,240
gordon in three

4202
02:37:58,230 --> 02:37:56,399
or more years so

4203
02:38:00,790 --> 02:37:58,240
given the feedback that we got from a

4204
02:38:03,030 --> 02:38:00,800
replay i called him up and uh i've got

4205
02:38:05,270 --> 02:38:03,040
him booked for next month november 15th

4206
02:38:06,150 --> 02:38:05,280
at 8pm and he's going to be talking

4207
02:38:08,469 --> 02:38:06,160
about

4208
02:38:11,030 --> 02:38:08,479
all of his incredible research into

4209
02:38:13,990 --> 02:38:11,040
bigfoot cryptic creatures and high

4210
02:38:16,070 --> 02:38:14,000
strangeness including ufos for the past

4211
02:38:18,150 --> 02:38:16,080
three years he's got a big update with

4212
02:38:20,710 --> 02:38:18,160
lots of information and cases that he

4213
02:38:21,830 --> 02:38:20,720
has personally field investigated for

4214
02:38:23,030 --> 02:38:21,840
the past three years he's going to be

4215
02:38:25,349 --> 02:38:23,040
coming to give us

4216
02:38:30,710 --> 02:38:25,359
an incredible update you do not want to

4217
02:38:35,349 --> 02:38:33,190
so every single reply and live comment

4218
02:38:37,429 --> 02:38:35,359
counts every last one of them yes and i

4219
02:38:38,230 --> 02:38:37,439
want to thank sixth sense a moderator

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02:38:41,270 --> 02:38:38,240
here

4221
02:38:44,309 --> 02:38:41,280
mvp moderator for all of the work that

4222
02:38:49,030 --> 02:38:46,630
dorothy lange and you just made me laugh

4223
02:38:49,990 --> 02:38:49,040
says i'm here to to hear steve laugh at

4224
02:38:53,429 --> 02:38:50,000
stuff

4225
02:38:55,510 --> 02:38:53,439
so contagious it is yes

4226
02:38:57,110 --> 02:38:55,520
yes and a sixth sense reminding

4227
02:38:59,349 --> 02:38:57,120
everybody the higher the interaction the

4228
02:39:01,030 --> 02:38:59,359
more likely youtube is to suggest it and

4229
02:39:03,590 --> 02:39:01,040
that would certainly help us

4230
02:39:05,910 --> 02:39:03,600
and we say our prayer to the youtube ai

4231
02:39:08,389 --> 02:39:05,920
algorithm gods

4232
02:39:11,429 --> 02:39:08,399
please find favor in us

4233
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:11,439
share our video suggest our video rise

4234
02:39:14,790 --> 02:39:13,840
us in the search engine oh lord and

4235
02:39:18,309 --> 02:39:14,800
master

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02:39:21,030 --> 02:39:18,319
youtube google ai algorithm that is in

4237
02:39:23,830 --> 02:39:21,040
control of my destiny in google's name

4238
02:39:26,070 --> 02:39:23,840
we pray amen so i could do friends

4239
02:39:28,630 --> 02:39:26,080
that's all i could do my hand my life is

4240
02:39:30,550 --> 02:39:28,640
in the hands of an ai algorithm so every

4241
02:39:34,309 --> 02:39:30,560
day i say a little prayer to that

4242
02:39:36,710 --> 02:39:34,319
youtube ai algorithm so that it you know

4243
02:39:38,469 --> 02:39:36,720
helps us

4244
02:39:39,990 --> 02:39:38,479
all right so i want to thank our guests

4245
02:39:41,510 --> 02:39:40,000
tonight scott brown this was really

4246
02:39:43,990 --> 02:39:41,520
enjoyable show for me you know some of

4247
02:39:45,590 --> 02:39:44,000
them are grind and i like yesterday i

4248
02:39:48,230 --> 02:39:45,600
was like how am i going to get through a

4249
02:39:50,150 --> 02:39:48,240
few hours of this this is crazy but

4250
02:39:51,510 --> 02:39:50,160
tonight was very enjoyable a little more

4251
02:39:54,150 --> 02:39:51,520
laid back

4252
02:39:55,429 --> 02:39:54,160
i hope that you enjoyed it

4253
02:39:57,349 --> 02:39:55,439
i want to thank each and every one of

4254
02:39:59,670 --> 02:39:57,359
you for coming here uh you always hear

4255
02:40:01,750 --> 02:39:59,680
me say this but i mean it i love it when

4256
02:40:03,830 --> 02:40:01,760
there's an audience right and tonight we

4257
02:40:05,270 --> 02:40:03,840
had a great audience very very well

4258
02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:05,280
attended tonight

4259
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:07,600
i was so happy to see that every time i

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02:40:11,590 --> 02:40:09,520
show up here i'm happy to see that

4261
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:11,600
there's an audience right

4262
02:40:15,910 --> 02:40:14,160
thank god somebody wants to see this

4263
02:40:18,070 --> 02:40:15,920
somebody wants to hear this somebody

4264
02:40:20,469 --> 02:40:18,080
wants to come along this crazy journey

4265
02:40:22,790 --> 02:40:20,479
down this rabbit hole with me and i'm so

4266
02:40:24,710 --> 02:40:22,800
glad that i get to take you all with me

4267
02:40:26,150 --> 02:40:24,720
there's really no place that i would

4268
02:40:27,830 --> 02:40:26,160
rather be

4269
02:40:28,790 --> 02:40:27,840
uh so

4270
02:40:30,950 --> 02:40:28,800
dave

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02:40:33,750 --> 02:40:30,960
bailey is here and says amen praised

4272
02:40:35,910 --> 02:40:33,760
cash yes in google's name we pray amen

4273
02:40:37,030 --> 02:40:35,920
praise the cash i'm gonna add that dave

4274
02:40:38,710 --> 02:40:37,040
bailey

4275
02:40:41,190 --> 02:40:38,720
and the sixth sense is commenting on the

4276
02:40:43,429 --> 02:40:41,200
google god it's the google god i'm sorry

4277
02:40:45,269 --> 02:40:43,439
that's very accurate the sixth sense

4278
02:40:46,630 --> 02:40:45,279
it's the google god and dorothy lang is

4279
02:40:48,790 --> 02:40:46,640
here done and done i think she

4280
02:40:50,950 --> 02:40:48,800
subscribed and hit the notification bell

4281
02:40:53,110 --> 02:40:50,960
that's another new subscriber we are

4282
02:40:55,269 --> 02:40:53,120
happy to hear it

4283
02:40:58,070 --> 02:40:55,279
so once again i want to thank every one

4284
02:41:01,030 --> 02:40:58,080
of you guys uh for being here

4285
02:41:02,950 --> 02:41:01,040
it has been a pleasure tonight and and

4286
02:41:04,150 --> 02:41:02,960
uh again this is one of those selfish

4287
02:41:06,150 --> 02:41:04,160
things like scott and i have been

4288
02:41:07,990 --> 02:41:06,160
wanting to just talk for a while about

4289
02:41:10,150 --> 02:41:08,000
everything that's been going on and

4290
02:41:12,070 --> 02:41:10,160
again i do this all the time to people

4291
02:41:14,630 --> 02:41:12,080
especially if they have their own show i

4292
02:41:16,550 --> 02:41:14,640
say nope let's not talk off air let's do

4293
02:41:18,469 --> 02:41:16,560
it on air and i can share it with my

4294
02:41:19,349 --> 02:41:18,479
audience so glad to share tonight with

4295
02:41:21,510 --> 02:41:19,359
you

4296
02:41:23,269 --> 02:41:21,520
no place that i would rather be

4297
02:41:25,590 --> 02:41:23,279
so until next time friends my name is

4298
02:41:29,600 --> 02:41:25,600
stephen cambion good night and god bless

4299
02:42:06,310 --> 02:41:50,469
[Music]

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02:43:31,560 --> 02:42:06,320
so